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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome Fade to Black today is

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January 11

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2023 I'm Yours Jimmy Church

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and welcome everybody we're starting to

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dry out here in uh Southern California a

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little bit another wave of storms about

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to come in and uh so and and today of

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course

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uh the music world was uh shocked with

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the passing of of Jeff Beck and I'm

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going to dedicate this show tonight uh

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to Mr Beck and

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uh I've been blasting uh Jeff Beck all

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afternoon and our guest tonight is Ron

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James and Iran is a director uh a

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filmmaker uh a television host and also

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a musician and earlier today

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uh Ron and I were trading pictures of

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guitars and talking music uh back and

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forth uh right uh before uh the

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announcement uh came today about uh Mr

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Beck and I'd like to bring in Ron now

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Ron uh uh a crazy day welcome to the

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show uh I miss you my friend how you

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doing

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great thanks for having me it uh it was

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kind of yeah kind of strange that you

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know you and I were doing the sixth

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string Madness uh uh this morning and

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you know in such a great mood and and

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messing with each other uh and talking

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about that and then and then the news

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broke about the passing of Jeff Beck and

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uh how you know you're a musician you've

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got a great guitar collection you're a

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player

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um you've invited me to play on some of

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your tracks uh over the years too as

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well how'd you take the news today

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you know it's interesting it was right

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after you and I were having our guitar

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um shoot out and then I ran across it um

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and uh yeah I mean you know he was uh he

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was a ripe old age but still it was hard

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to uh take and it was very unexpected

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yeah yeah totally and you know 78 years

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old uh okay all right so we can you know

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say those normal things well Manny he

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lived a great life 70. but he was he was

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playing and touring uh right now you

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know he was you know still it was that's

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true yeah he was at the top of his game

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and I went back uh and then we'll we'll

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get to let's talk UFOs tonight right so

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we're gonna do that but

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um everything is connected

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um I went back uh one of my favorite

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concert uh uh videos I mean of all time

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is Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's and

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uh when you look at his performance this

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is a modern it's not a it's not an old

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uh contract I think it was shot 10 years

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ago so he was almost 70 years old when

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he shot that and he never sounded better

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right and uh you know he had the most

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amazing band backing him up and uh

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Wilkenfeld uh on base uh just a great uh

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just just a great thing and so I I

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blasted that today in the studio just

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just heartbroken I mean for me I'm

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crushed he's such a big big part of uh

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my musical palette and he was somebody

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that I always went back to so

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um who uh I wanted to ask you you've got

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a pretty

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pretty wide uh guitar and instrument

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collection who was your uh big influence

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growing up as far as guitar players go

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well Van Halen obviously

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um and then of course uh going back

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further than that Jimmy Page yeah

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Paige see you know I I thought about

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that today

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um when I I did the the post out there

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in in social media and I went you know I

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called him the guitar God

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and and I've thought about that for a

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second well you know what about what

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about you know Jimmy Page or what about

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what about and I did that those thoughts

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went through my mind and then I thought

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and I don't think I'm wrong here all

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those guitar players out there

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it's back that they look to right you

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know it's true you know and you know he

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was a Pioneer and a legend and an

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inspiration to a lot of the guys that

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are that are out there now and that

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really came up in the uh in the 70s that

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we we grew up with ourselves yeah yeah I

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mean if you talk to any of those dudes

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you know you know uh Clapton or or page

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or you know any of those greats they go

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well you know I'm I'm good

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I know Jeff Beck but you know I can play

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and guitar players get it right they

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they watch and listen to Jeff and they

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go man I wish I could do that

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so there you go all right so uh you've

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got a new film out it's called

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accidental truth and I I do want to talk

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about the ideas behind the film uh the

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the the

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website and and the link for that are

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throughout social media with us also on

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our website and in the description uh

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box uh below so you can go and check

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that out the trailer for the film is

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about to be released

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um so check back and when the trailer

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hits uh the website and starts to hit

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social media we'll uh uh let everybody

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know but the title of the film is an

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interesting one accidental truth if so

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what is that

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well you know the uh in the film the

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definition of accidental truth now I

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probably won't get it exactly even

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though I wrote it but an accidental

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truth is what happens when a combination

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of statements and evidence leads

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somebody to a conclusion that was not

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originally intended to be revealed and

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basically we have the front-facing guys

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that we've seen everybody from Lu

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Elizondo Chris Mellon all the way to the

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sitting uh congressional committees and

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Congress people uh all kind of trying to

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continue this story for whatever reason

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uh that just isn't holding water anymore

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and so in their own words they say

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things that through slips of the tongue

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through things that they decided to go

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ahead and reveal to me that that they

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hadn't said publicly anywhere else that

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are really giving them nowhere else to

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go but to finally start admitting in a

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concrete manner what's really going on

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in other words you've got guys

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right now that there's a little bit of

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air still between the oh it's ET or oh

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it's this or oh it's that they're coming

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right up to that wall and there's a

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little bit of space that's still there

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in between that barrier and what they're

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able to say when this film comes out

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they're not going to have any space left

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whatsoever it's time to Spill the Beans

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all of us in this field and and you're

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in the film commenting on this all of us

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in this field have been extremely

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frustrated for a long time and when I

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first started to make this film I was

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really kind of like you know as much as

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I hate to say it as much as I don't want

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to have this mentality this really is a

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war this is a war for the most important

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knowledge to humanity and we're looking

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at guys we're sitting across a table

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from them that hold these keys and

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somehow we've gotten to the point where

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we just accept that you can be this

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close I can be this close Jimmy you can

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be this close and we just have to accept

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that we're still not going to get the

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answers that we want and my attitude has

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kind of changed over the course of

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making the film a little bit but I

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really did start off in militant mode

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it's like you know I'm tired of these

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lightweight UFO docs I'm tired of people

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that are afraid to pull the punches and

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I you know accidental truth comes out

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swinging and it does not let up and by

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the time it's over is like you know

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nothing against anybody nobody's

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denigrated in the film but the body

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politic needs to own up and they've got

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no room left after this film

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um a couple of points if I may respond

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um uh first off uh uh I am in the film I

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don't know what I I say in the film or

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or how much I'm in the film because I'm

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not here for a couple of Clips but my

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point is this is my point with that

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um we we talked for quite a while uh uh

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uh we shot uh for a minute and and I

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said some things where I

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um overall I I didn't hold back I I

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could tell where uh it's somewhat I

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should say where your mind was coming

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from but I didn't have a real idea of

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the the overall flavor for the film I

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didn't know but uh I mean I do remember

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this uh you and I having many phone

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calls after that and I was like man Ron

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man where's this coming from right you

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I was forced to think what did I say

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because I know where his mind is right

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now what is it that I know that and but

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that's that's what the film is is based

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on and and I'm sure that whatever I said

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the context uh is what was on point and

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uh you know a little small contribution

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but it will will help carry the the

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flavor of of what's going on well it

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really does you uh you you shared uh

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your response when the 2017 stories

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dropped you were driving your car uh and

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right that's a little bit funny what you

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said and then um you summarized what's

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happened over the last few years you

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know here we are we have no new anything

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and and you know all of the stuff that

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uh that came and went with great promise

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and total lack of delivery and so you uh

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you came in very handy in the film to

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summarize a couple of those things well

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yeah okay again let me comment on that

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um I'm not a I'm not a prophet or a

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soothsayer right I'm not but

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um the things that I have uh the the

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said back in 2017 I think they still

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hold true today Ron in that don't go all

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in on anything let's just wait let time

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be the judge here right none of us your

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phone Community or anything uh and need

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to be the judges let's just see what

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happens but what I didn't think though

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was that back in 2017 that we would be

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here six years later in 2023

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um still kind of sitting on our hands

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somewhat not to say that there hasn't

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been progress but it's it's a pretty

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strange feeling knowing that six years

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we've almost let get bias right

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yeah and it's gone by so fast and

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there's been so many distractions but

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also there's been all of these false

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starts you know the the the only thing

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that's been accomplished in the body

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politic moving the UFO agenda forward is

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the creation of new acronyms it's like

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well you know okay it's this department

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it's that department it's a new

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Department it's a bunch of people and in

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the film we catch these guys red-handed

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and expose them in a most embarrassing

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manner of the way that they've just

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managed to take advantage of this to

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compartmentalize information uh well

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that doesn't fall under the purvey of my

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particular task force and it's like dude

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enough already and and then we also

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point out that the what we call the new

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narrative is the same story we got back

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when General Samford in this in the 60s

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was talking about the Air Force's

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involvement with UFOs it's almost

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verbatim they didn't even have the money

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to hire a new scriptwriter they just use

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the same script it's it's it's really

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sad yeah you're right about that now I

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want to uh to to expand on that with

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this next few questions which is this

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Ron you

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um you have done thousands of interviews

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I don't know how many hours of

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programming of Television that you have

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done I have no idea it's a big big body

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of work and you have interviewed every

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player here so uh and and for those that

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may not know you uh a lot of stuff stays

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on The Cutting Room floor right it does

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but you are listening and you are there

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you know what is you know what has been

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um immortalized on on on film or audio

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forever but you're able to go and

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connect the dots right you you go back

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and wait a minute this this was said

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exactly

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and is that where the idea for the film

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came from

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yeah uh well the title accidental truth

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came to me because of an interview that

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I did with Lou Elizondo and I actually

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had one of the only sit down properly

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lit professionally set up interviews

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with him because he was so tied up with

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ttsa and History Channel so you can see

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lots of little Elizondo interviews that

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are out there that are skyped in and

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things like that but I had the the real

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setting and there was a lot of interest

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in that interview but while I was

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questioning him he's he as he said

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something and then when I asked him to

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clarify his answer it was one of those

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oh crap moments and it's caught right

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there on camera and it's uh and that's

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where I got the the idea for the title

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accidental truth is that you know

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sometimes we will reveal something in

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what we don't say sometimes we will

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reveal something in what we say

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accidentally and sometimes we'll reveal

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something just by a slip of the tongue

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and so that gave me that idea but then

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as I'm going back through my stuff

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up

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you know like I've got three interviews

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with Nick Pope dating back to 2009 and

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it's really interesting to hear these

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guys story evolve same thing with

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Colonel John Alexander I interviewed him

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in 2009 and then I interviewed him again

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in 2018 and then again in 2019 and again

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in 2022 and this is a person whose story

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has completely uh changed over time and

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we we illustrate that with their own

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words and so it's interesting with with

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Colonel Alexander

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um is that he was out making the rounds

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to the UFO Community a lot and saying

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that you know he believed that more

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study should be permissible and blah

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blah blah blah blah but we find out in

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2021 that he was actually running a

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program just like the kind that he was

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officially denying the whole time he was

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walking around in this community

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pretending to be to be like like he was

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an ally and at the end of the day was he

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an ally in his own way for sure

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um

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but you know the line gets blurred and

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where where I might have originally when

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I started on this film I might have said

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oh yeah that's that's crap this guy's

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been out there doing this stuff for this

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whole time he's he's been part of a

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disinformation and a a campaign of

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deception and shame on him and shame on

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all these other people that are doing

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this and I kind of uh started to see

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things from Another angle also and kind

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of understand that maybe that's kind of

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how they just had to be and what started

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out as a really militant film where

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we're going to get these guys kind of

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turned into a gentle expose you know I'm

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not a there's nobody getting denigrated

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or attacked in the film but they're

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certainly getting exposed

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let me ask you this uh we we all when I

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say we all you know our community but I

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think that the world now understands

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that you know something's going on in

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the skies and and it's not us and it's

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coming from somewhere but if you've seen

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something that you can't explain uh like

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I have and so many others have

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it forces you onto the road of uh

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Discovery and in a seeker of knowledge

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so we have that side of things and then

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we have everything else

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what is what ultimately are these

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agendas is it agenda is it an agenda for

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truth or is it too obscure and and

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present something else

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well if you're talking about the agenda

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that we're seeing unfold in the human

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realm uh I think that there's

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uh there's warring factions even to this

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day and we actually call that out in the

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film when when Lou and Chris came out in

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2017

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there it rather people want to say

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they're part of an organized

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disinformation campaign and they're

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playing their part or they really did

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want to start bringing this to the

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public uh that that's debatable and and

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we can have that discussion but the fact

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of the matter is that whatever we're

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being told there are factions that do

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not want us to be told anything and so

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you've got this internal fight going on

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at the very deepest levels and also in

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within the Air Force within the a little

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bit of the military but most of this is

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obviously hidden away from even the rank

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and file military but there there is uh

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you know there there is not agreement

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about what we should be told about what

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should be revealed and there is

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infighting going on and we illustrate

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that and we kind of prove it in in the

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film with some of the stuff that

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happened after Lou came out and how he

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was disavowed how he had to hire uh

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Danny Sheehan to go into the defense

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intelligence agency and make them take

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back that he was a fraud and that he

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they hadn't done his stuff that he said

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he did

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so that there is no fixed agenda it's

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it's very clear that we're going to have

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to confront the reality that there are

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non-human or maybe even another type of

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human intelligence is that we don't know

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that are interacting with our planet and

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probably with us this is this is a given

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and at some point if they don't figure

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out a way to to clue Us in officially

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you know Elon Musk is going to land

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right in the middle of an ancient city

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on Mars and and the beans are going to

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be spilled so they can't keep it going

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for for long but the problem is they

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can't just come out and say oh yeah well

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you know yeah we've known about this

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since well the the pope knew about it

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back in the church in before uh they

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started even having technology all of

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recorded history we've had UFOs and and

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the secret has been sequestered away

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they're not going to be able to keep it

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a secret for too much longer but there's

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a whole lot of disagreement about what

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we're going to be told how we're going

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to be told and when we're going to be

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told and it's it's it's bubbling to the

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surface to the point where it's evident

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through that you can just see it

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happening

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the uh let me ask you a couple of

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questions uh

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this may be opinion and also maybe

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something that you that you know but

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um but your comment is is valuable the

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the story The the storyline in in 2017

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um not only coming directly from ttsa

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but from those around them uh as well

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saying the same thing uh there's there's

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going to be more videos there's going to

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be more evidence there's going to be

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more witnesses coming forward there's

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going to be some this is what and and

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this entire and at the time

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we were buying into it and we had to we

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had three Navy videos that that made it

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out and we had uh people coming forward

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like Lou and and David fravor and you

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know later Alex Dietrich Ryan Grace you

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know it's a long list

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and then the brakes completely got

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pumped right and and it it it stopped

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and it didn't stop after a couple of

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years it stopped after a couple of

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months and we've literally have had six

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years with nothing

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yeah we kind of explained that in the

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film that when when these guys got their

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momentum and the story got so big so

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fast there were factions within within

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the the managers of this information

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that were like hold on wait a minute

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they got blindsided they didn't they

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didn't know how to react they didn't

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have time to react but then they got

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time to get that off of their back feet

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and form a strategy to combat this and

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to limit what is going to be put out the

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the the story grew so fast and there

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were some lines that got crossed like

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when the New York Times did the

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follow-up story about materials being

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held uh okay that was a red line you

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cannot go there that that was never part

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of the agreement that you can all of a

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sudden say we've got materials from

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crashed UFOs and so

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that was way Beyond where there anybody

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was willing to let it go that had any

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control over whatsoever so they

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immediately started walking that stuff

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back they had to print the retraction in

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the New York Times we had Susan Guff

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coming out from the Pentagon uh walking

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back the whole materials story but the

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the cat was already out of the bag and

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it's been just a dog and pony show ever

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since

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the

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because we've we had different versions

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of all of this being spoken of at the

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same time where normally and let's say

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I'll take something uh very basic right

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let's say we all go to a friend's

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birthday party right and we have a group

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of friends there later on a month a year

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on down the road and we go back and talk

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about the birthday party we may not all

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have the exact recollection

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but the source of the story you know you

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know what I mean there's going to be a

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general thing that you're not going to

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get wrong well there were statements and

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things that were being made from uh

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people in the middle of this that were

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complete opposites and and were not

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making sense and then even those

545
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:03,840
reversed right and and and and and by

546
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:07,020
the time you get to the end of it uh you

547
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,460
can't you can't really make sense of

548
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,100
anything because nobody has got a basic

549
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:13,559
point source of information

550
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,240
yeah it's kind of that weight by Design

551
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,000
Ralph Blumenthal is in the movie I went

552
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,919
to New York and I interviewed him and

553
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:22,020
and he's instrumental in telling the

554
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:23,400
story from his point of view and for

555
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,500
those that don't know who he is Ralph

556
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:28,020
Blumenthal is the the New York Times

557
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,919
writer that broke the atip story and in

558
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:33,840
the film he tells a story about how

559
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,260
Leslie Keane was invited to a private

560
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,120
meeting with Lou Elizondo with

561
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:41,100
Christopher melon we're to talk about

562
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,340
UFOs and that's Lew had just written his

563
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,440
resignation letter to the uh to the

564
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,840
defense department but he had not given

565
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,840
it to them yet and this was a you know

566
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,720
kind of this is what we know this is

567
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:57,299
this is a program that's been run that

568
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,539
nobody knows about and um and that's

569
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,820
what was the Nexus for the story being

570
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,860
broken but it wasn't a spontaneous thing

571
00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:07,440
this was this was orchestrated to these

572
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:09,179
guys coming together Chris and Lou

573
00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:12,900
coming to the media and for a while the

574
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:15,299
story got it got massaged it's like how

575
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:16,440
are we going to get it into the times

576
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,700
how are we going to get the time so go

577
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,260
ahead and print it and there's a whole

578
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:21,360
back story to how that happened and

579
00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:23,340
there's a case to be made

580
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,260
that this was part of an organized

581
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,600
rollout and that Lou and Chris were just

582
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,820
kind of front men for this organized

583
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,559
rollout and there's also a case to be

584
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,360
made that that's not really the the

585
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,159
truth and that they had just decided

586
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:37,140
we're going to leave government we're

587
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,240
going to take what we can say and what

588
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:40,559
we can't say and we're going to start

589
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,120
doing what we can to get this to the

590
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,880
public and so there's two different ways

591
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,220
of looking at what happened back in

592
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:48,720
those days and there's two different

593
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,340
ways of looking at the motivation of

594
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:53,279
these two gentlemen uh I find it very

595
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,760
interesting that uh shortly after the

596
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,200
story broke

597
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,320
all of a sudden here comes ttsa and

598
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,539
these guys are already organized is that

599
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:05,460
they didn't just organically pop up

600
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:07,140
right after the New York Times story

601
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,700
there were years in the making to put

602
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,799
this thing together Lou and Chris and

603
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:13,260
Jim semivan and all these guys from from

604
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,059
the intelligence Community helped put

605
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,760
off these were all guys yeah Steve

606
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,620
Justice yeah these are all guys that

607
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,299
were involved in this stuff for ages how

608
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:23,940
put off and and Colonel John Alexander

609
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:27,720
were running programs to study UFOs back

610
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,640
in the 70s just within a very short

611
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,740
window after Project Blue Book closed

612
00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:34,799
and and so a big thing that we cover in

613
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,279
our in our film is that what we call the

614
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,500
new narrative the new narrative that

615
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,080
came out in 2017 is

616
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,880
we have these things we don't know what

617
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,380
they are they're not ours they're not

618
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:48,900
adversaries we think they might be a

619
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,460
threat so we're going to have to take it

620
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:52,320
seriously and investigate it but the

621
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,700
biggest part of the new narrative is

622
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,320
that there was nothing going on after

623
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:59,039
blue book before atip and so we go in

624
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,020
there and we dig the crap out of that

625
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,380
and what we're able to prove we we've

626
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:06,240
we're able to identify the programs

627
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,980
we're able to identify the people that

628
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,200
ran the programs we're able to identify

629
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:12,480
what they studied we're able to identify

630
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,419
what they found and it's it's profound

631
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,940
and through admissions of their own and

632
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,980
through Freedom of Information

633
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:20,880
um

634
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:23,940
so what happens in accidental truth is

635
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,820
that the the deception just gets

636
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:29,279
completely undermined and the truth

637
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:30,600
about these programs because that's

638
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,039
where the that's where the truth lives

639
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:34,080
it lives between the end of Blue Book

640
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:36,059
well actually before the beginning of

641
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,179
blue book but it it and and atip and

642
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,039
they're whitewashing that entire history

643
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,200
and they're doing it for a very specific

644
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,320
reason and that is to to reframe The

645
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,900
Narrative and to abolish anybody that's

646
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:51,360
involved in this stuff uh from any kind

647
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:54,779
of responsibility and so part some of

648
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,059
them are dying off but they're still an

649
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:59,340
Institutional responsibility that has to

650
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:01,500
be whitewashed so we can come out in

651
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,960
2017 and say oh the Navy's studying this

652
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,700
stuff and all of a sudden oh here's

653
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,559
these dirts these defense intelligence

654
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,600
reports about all these technologies

655
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,340
that came out a big little Aerospace

656
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,860
here's these materials reports that with

657
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,360
logical explanations about where all

658
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:17,400
this stuff came from what we're really

659
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,240
seeing in that release is we are seeing

660
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:23,520
the information that these guys gleaned

661
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,480
from before Blue Book until atip over

662
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,400
these years all these top secret back

663
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:31,200
engineering programs all these crash

664
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,900
retrieval debris uh studies all these

665
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,460
material studies all these things that

666
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,500
these guys were doing how do we get that

667
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:39,240
information out in such a way as we can

668
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,679
say oh yeah well we just found this

669
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:42,659
stuff it's just like we we talk about

670
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,480
night and all the the shape-shifting

671
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:47,520
alloy that it was supposed to be around

672
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:50,340
Roswell we go back and we proved that it

673
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:51,900
didn't come from where they say it came

674
00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:56,279
from and that it very likely came from

675
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,400
some kind of a UFO crash so they're

676
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,679
they're whitewashing the past so they

677
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:03,960
can deny these programs existed and

678
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,419
they're using the cover of bass big

679
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,120
little Aerospace the the Freedom of

680
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,940
Information Act requests about material

681
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,220
studies to come up with a new

682
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:16,919
explanation for how this knowledge and

683
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:20,039
information was obtained so that they

684
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,179
don't have to take responsibility

685
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,220
ability or accountability or even tell

686
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,260
the truth for what they did in the past

687
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,059
and and so that's what we're seeing

688
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:29,820
that's what started to unfold in 2017

689
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:32,520
rather Lou and Chris and and those in

690
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,580
ttsa are intentionally carrying that

691
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:38,159
which you know obviously

692
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,760
um

693
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,620
there they're certainly not telling us

694
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:43,020
what they know how put off is not

695
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,480
telling us what he knows we know him and

696
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:48,419
Alexander we're working way back uh same

697
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,179
thing with all these guys so

698
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,039
they've come up with a very clever way

699
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:55,440
to say oh yes there's all these

700
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:57,659
materials that that may have we don't

701
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:58,980
know what they came from maybe they came

702
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:01,860
from off-world Craft they could have uh

703
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,860
there's all these technologies that we

704
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:06,539
have spent a ridiculous amount of time

705
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:07,620
studying

706
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:09,659
but they're not going to tell us where

707
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,720
that stuff originated because they can't

708
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:13,919
and so

709
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,200
here we go that's what accidental truth

710
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:18,480
unveils

711
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,360
um

712
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:22,860
oh man I'm gonna ask you a very direct

713
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:29,039
question do you feel that atip was a

714
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,380
staffed

715
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,299
Venture that there was a staff

716
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:36,480
underneath Lou Elizondo that he was the

717
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:38,820
director of people that were researching

718
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:41,700
uh information eyewitness testimony and

719
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,520
videos and imaging and sensor data or

720
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,520
was atip a party of one and he was the

721
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:49,679
director of himself

722
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:52,500
well it's kind of probably somewhere in

723
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:54,179
between and and let me explain what I

724
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,760
mean uh one thing that I learned through

725
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,679
the investigations that I've done is

726
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:00,960
that they would there's these groups

727
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,899
that they call ad hoc where say you're a

728
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,640
high-ranking government official with an

729
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:08,159
interest in UFOs well you can put

730
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:10,380
together a group of a whole bunch of

731
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,940
other high-ranking government officials

732
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:13,380
and you can all have security clearances

733
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:14,940
and you can have secret meetings and you

734
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,700
can do you can run programs but they

735
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:20,399
don't have to be ever official programs

736
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,659
so they they call it ad hoc programs

737
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,760
where there's no official sanction of

738
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,679
this program but it still exists it

739
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,840
still has all the benefits of your

740
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:32,760
access to technology your access to

741
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:35,880
security your access to secrets and can

742
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:38,460
be run just like an official program but

743
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,919
it's not it's on that borderline of well

744
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,419
it's not official and that's how they're

745
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,760
able to do a lot of these things that

746
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:46,620
and burying them within Private Industry

747
00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:48,600
that makes it so that they don't have to

748
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,279
admit it so

749
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:52,320
I think what happened and you know I've

750
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,580
talked to Lou about it and I've talked

751
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,559
to others and so I can I'm going to

752
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:57,779
venture my opinion but what it seems

753
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,419
happened is that Lou was involved with

754
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,000
the ASAP program which was the contract

755
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,279
awarded to Bigelow Aerospace he was

756
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:07,740
brought on into that program he had a

757
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:10,919
role it was a real thing they they are

758
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,760
the group that released the 1500 pages

759
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,340
of reports on all kinds of esoteric

760
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,840
Technologies

761
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,820
um so that was a real thing and it was a

762
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,039
real government contract and then at

763
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,860
some point it slipped into DOD the bat

764
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,020
the bass contract ended the program

765
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,179
still continued now

766
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:33,600
it can be debated rather it was well you

767
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:35,220
know they say that atip was kind of a

768
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:37,799
nickname for it and Lou had a portfolio

769
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,299
of things that he was working on it

770
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,580
wasn't just that but the program did

771
00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:43,200
continue the same people were still

772
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,659
involved but it was somewhere in between

773
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,059
an official program and an ad hoc

774
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,000
program it didn't the the 20 million

775
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,940
dollars that big little Aerospace got I

776
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,200
don't think that Lou had that kind of

777
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:56,700
budget to work with when he was running

778
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,120
it out of DIA and so

779
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:01,679
um the answer is somewhere in between

780
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,820
but yes there it was a thing

781
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:08,340
um I I have um

782
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:11,700
because when I look at things overall

783
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,580
and these are the same comments that I

784
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:16,740
have today and same questions that I had

785
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,279
today have today I had in 2017 and I was

786
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:22,679
you know I had I had the dirt reports

787
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,840
and all the awesome information a year

788
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,080
before that stuff was made public and I

789
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:30,899
had distributed uh out through my

790
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,240
friends and small network of people you

791
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:35,640
know what do you think about this and

792
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,380
when ttsa rolled out and then we had

793
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,659
This Acronym you know atip uh suddenly

794
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:44,399
in play

795
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,620
um was a to the you know the big

796
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:48,960
question was was atip a version of ASAP

797
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:51,840
was it a continuation of the program but

798
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:54,360
ASAP had nothing to do with UFOs

799
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,179
and when you go and you read all of

800
00:34:02,570 --> 00:33:59,100
their stuff paranormal absolutely

801
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,580
Supernatural yeah bending spoons warp

802
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:05,279
drives right okay so all of that was in

803
00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:08,339
warp drives has to do with UFOs but and

804
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:11,099
so does material studies and ASAP was

805
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:12,419
doing all that stuff but do you

806
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:13,859
understand what I'm saying they weren't

807
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,159
researching Navy videos and eyewitness

808
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,740
testimony with UFOs now they were doing

809
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,500
research studies projecting out 50 years

810
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:24,780
in the future where they thought that uh

811
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,780
we may be in a in a in in technology

812
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:30,000
which is fine I don't have any issues

813
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:33,060
with that it was a great reading but uh

814
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:37,080
atip was an awesome right in that a

815
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:38,760
square can be a rectangle but a

816
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,139
rectangle yeah so here's how that was

817
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:42,240
explained to me the uh when they were

818
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:44,520
when they were doing the ASAP work they

819
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:48,300
had what uh was called like a wide

820
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:49,560
spectrum of stuff that they were

821
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:50,940
investigating all the stuff at

822
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:52,500
Skinwalker Ranch all the Paranormal

823
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,879
stuff like you're talking about there

824
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:56,159
was a UFO element to it

825
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,480
um as a matter of fact there was a time

826
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,660
when mufon was brought in to go and

827
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,119
travel to UFO sighting hot spots and

828
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:05,460
provide the information to Bigelow and

829
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:08,700
so there was a UFO element to it but by

830
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,000
the time it uh Lou was involved and then

831
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,460
by the time the program disintegrated it

832
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:17,280
was decided that they were just going to

833
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:21,180
uh stick with the UFO stuff in what got

834
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:23,099
carried on into the defense intelligence

835
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,820
agency that other things were as Lou

836
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,260
puts it and he says this in the movie

837
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,780
it's like we're trying to

838
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,820
um hit an elephant with this with a

839
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,339
sniper rifle there's there there's just

840
00:35:39,609 --> 00:35:37,680
no way that we could process all this

841
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:39,619
data and

842
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:42,839
study all of these things so as the

843
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:45,780
program developed and and changed hands

844
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,599
and and went into uh the the government

845
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,180
offices that it ended up in and Bigelow

846
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:52,980
and his participation kind of went by

847
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:56,099
the wayside the focus became primarily

848
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:00,420
on the UAP phenomenon yeah and and I see

849
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,740
that

850
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,380
um but uh there's some the reason why

851
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,240
I'm talking about the front issue this

852
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,400
the part that reaches the public right

853
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,980
and this communication and and what is

854
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:12,780
being presented to the public

855
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,500
ASAP atip Elizondo melon all of that

856
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,359
that's the stuff that's on the surface

857
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:20,760
that's the the things that we can see

858
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,380
that has nothing at zero to do with the

859
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,420
crash retrieval of something that's out

860
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:29,460
here in the Palm you know in Palmdale at

861
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,839
Lockheed that's being backwards

862
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:32,700
engineered that has nothing to do with

863
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,540
us app or atip and the dod or anybody

864
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,880
else wouldn't have any idea what a

865
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,980
subcontractor is doing and that includes

866
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,500
anybody that is involved with you know

867
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,380
like like OS app which we know what that

868
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:48,359
basically was about and where that

869
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:52,140
funding came from and and atip there was

870
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,599
you know they when when we talk about

871
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:57,060
research and data into this subject

872
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,140
matter wasn't anybody at atip Ron uh

873
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:03,240
running research and looking at sensor

874
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,700
data of stuff that Lockheed is working

875
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,920
on no they would never know that they

876
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:09,540
would never know about it and that would

877
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,099
never get turn around and get back to

878
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,240
the public

879
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:15,119
well you're right and because the the

880
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:16,619
stuff that you're talking about with uh

881
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:18,780
crash debris materials reverse

882
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,540
engineering groups like like awesome

883
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:24,960
atip Project Blue Book and and and even

884
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:27,300
uh Colonel John Alexander's group the

885
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:29,160
advanced theoretical physics working

886
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:32,579
group these guys were were on were

887
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:34,859
scratching the surface in in an official

888
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,220
capacity but they were never bred in to

889
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,079
the depth of you know John Alexander

890
00:37:45,069 --> 00:37:42,180
never got to actually talk to the guys

891
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:45,079
that recovered Roswell

892
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,079
he had certain knowledge but these guys

893
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:51,180
are not the guys they're not the people

894
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:54,300
that that are deeply into this and that

895
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:56,579
really hold the keys they're just more

896
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,119
public players with it you know um lose

897
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:01,859
manager told me and hopefully I'm not

898
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:03,060
gonna get in trouble for this but he

899
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,619
told me you know we're working on the

900
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,599
ultimate UFO documentary and I'm like

901
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:08,460
well you're never going to be able to

902
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:11,760
make it because Lou's not read in and

903
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:14,460
and it's just true these guys that we

904
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,920
see publicly that they're not read into

905
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,140
to what's really going on and and even

906
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,540
the guys that we think have this

907
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,940
knowledge they're not the guys the

908
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,640
people that that ported

909
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,800
um you know night and all and

910
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:30,480
transparent aluminum and some of these

911
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,660
other things into industry uh you know

912
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:36,000
Corso's got his story that's that's not

913
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:38,520
even really the way it happened and the

914
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,440
people that that are managing this

915
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:42,660
information it is sequestered within

916
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:44,940
Private Industry to the point it's just

917
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,400
like in the Wilson Davis memo

918
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
you you're not read in it's in Private

919
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,560
Industry you can't get to it and so even

920
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:54,000
the front-facing people that we're

921
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:56,280
talking to today they are not the people

922
00:39:03,349 --> 00:38:58,920
and in fact you say that in the movie

923
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,359
I I probably well it's whoever they are

924
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:05,220
we don't know their names they're not on

925
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:07,079
TV they're not in front of a camera we

926
00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:09,240
don't know who they are and that's a

927
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,099
Jimmy Church quote and I don't think

928
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:14,579
that'll ever change right where

929
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:18,359
um it is when you bring up to Wilson

930
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:21,960
Davis uh document and there are a couple

931
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,640
of points in that and I'm glad that you

932
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,859
did because you know the John

933
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,140
Alexander's of the world you know the

934
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,880
oak Shannons and and the people that

935
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,280
were involved you know going back uh to

936
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:34,859
those meetings that were uh documented

937
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,560
from uh 1985 where we've got Oak

938
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:39,900
Shannon's notes and we've got Jack house

939
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:42,839
notes that turn around and support the

940
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:46,560
Wilson Davis memo and my point with uh

941
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,460
everybody on this is exactly what you're

942
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:52,560
saying there we'll never know the real

943
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:56,339
names anybody that is in play here and

944
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:58,020
you look at the bigot list or whatever

945
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,980
it is you are so not only read in but

946
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,320
you're so vetted to get on that bigot

947
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,119
list or to be a part of those programs

948
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:09,599
that and and your dedication to that and

949
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,560
to this country you are not ever going

950
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:17,040
to say anything to anybody and that is

951
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,339
what the Wilson Davis document to me uh

952
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:22,320
that's what is so important about it

953
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,140
because you have you have you have a

954
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,619
rear Admiral right you've got you've got

955
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:31,520
you've got Thomas Wilson

956
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,660
J2 right that is budgeting the the sap

957
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,079
programs right he's in control of it and

958
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,540
and he is told dude

959
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,119
go kick sand yeah and they threatened

960
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,200
him they threatened him and a j-2 so

961
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,960
yeah I think that that is absolutely the

962
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:53,220
most important point about the Wilson

963
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,839
Davis document I believe it's an

964
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,280
authentic document I think that the

965
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,200
meeting really happened uh between

966
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,900
Thomas Wilson and Eric Davis again

967
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,359
another name that it you know keeps

968
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,180
getting you know put into this

969
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,720
um and those two guys

970
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,520
yeah so we cover a lot of that in the

971
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,160
film and and one thing that that I've

972
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,040
done with accidental truth is that it

973
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:19,680
has a lot of Revelations in it that even

974
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:22,020
people that are hardcore in the field

975
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,940
are gonna go wow that's pretty good you

976
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,140
really are you're stitching it together

977
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:27,359
you're moving the ball I didn't want to

978
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:28,980
make a film that did not move the ball

979
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,380
but I've also made a film that will

980
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:33,540
bring your average Ancient Aliens fan

981
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:36,660
that's not a hardcore ufologist up to

982
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,660
speed to to the modern day there's been

983
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:42,000
a few films like that this is the next

984
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:44,820
one and so there's there's a lot of

985
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,980
things your average UFO person guys in

986
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:48,660
your audience maybe they're going to go

987
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,220
ah well I do that well I knew that well

988
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,680
I knew that you might know 90 of what's

989
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,599
in the film but it's never been sewn

990
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:56,400
together this well it's never been

991
00:42:01,550 --> 00:41:59,099
represented by the people in the film

992
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,560
we've got Dr Michio Kaku arguably the

993
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,900
world's most famous scientist chiming in

994
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,940
on the specifics of all of these

995
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,380
different Technologies and how they're

996
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,660
how they're possible we've got Dr Gary

997
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,040
Nolan

998
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:13,260
um revealing some things that he has not

999
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:17,280
revealed ever to anybody we've got um an

1000
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,780
interview with the I'm the only person

1001
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,579
that's put an interview with a sitting

1002
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,280
congressperson in an independent UFO

1003
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,200
documentary we've got Tim birchett in

1004
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,880
Washington I went I sat in his office

1005
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,520
and I lined him out about all this stuff

1006
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:31,140
and he's like yeah I know all about it

1007
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:32,579
and um

1008
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,920
and and we've got Ralph Blumenthal

1009
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:37,140
Inside Story on how that all got broken

1010
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,300
we have the exclusive interview with Lou

1011
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:41,220
Elizondo where he makes an absolutely

1012
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,800
stunning admission we have Chris uh

1013
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,140
Mellon making an absolutely stunning

1014
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,240
admission and then we have all of the

1015
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:50,880
other people that uh are in the film

1016
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,160
supporting Richard Dolan's in it he

1017
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,800
plays a big part but it's I I can tell

1018
00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:57,540
you it's Dolan like you haven't seen him

1019
00:43:04,030 --> 00:43:01,020
for a while and um yeah I see somebody

1020
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,040
uh somebody saying Fox did that yeah but

1021
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,020
when that came out it was uh there's

1022
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:08,640
been so much that's happened since then

1023
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:11,640
so yeah I have to continue to do these

1024
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,339
yeah I missed the fox comment but I'm

1025
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:17,220
not wearing my glasses so yeah I think

1026
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,540
last time you told me not to pay

1027
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,819
attention to the chat yeah I try not to

1028
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,760
it it's it's too busy they have a lot of

1029
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,359
fun in there uh I just can't keep up

1030
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:28,560
with it

1031
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,500
um and and just a dark protocol James

1032
00:43:38,589 --> 00:43:34,260
Fox has watched my movie twice and uh

1033
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:41,329
do you have a release date really quick

1034
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,800
it's gonna it's gonna be sometime in mid

1035
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:45,780
to late March they're gonna they're

1036
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,940
gonna announce the release date next

1037
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:48,720
week

1038
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,520
okay gotcha gotcha the um uh the other

1039
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:55,440
part of this though

1040
00:44:05,150 --> 00:43:59,880
um as as we really take a hard look

1041
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,160
at John Alexander who uh as Ben in in

1042
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:07,500
and and threaded through this entire

1043
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:10,740
narrative uh for a few decades now

1044
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:13,319
um if we go back and we take a look at

1045
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,819
Jack house notes Oak Shannon's notes

1046
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:19,260
um and and take a look at those which

1047
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,760
predate by what 15 years uh the the

1048
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,440
conversation that happened between Eric

1049
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,200
Davis and Admiral Wilson that's a

1050
00:44:34,329 --> 00:44:31,859
15-year Gap but what they all say

1051
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:34,339
um is that uh ah the president

1052
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:37,920
nah nah no he's not no no politicians

1053
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:41,460
nah no no military people man not really

1054
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,500
no no and it's a very interesting point

1055
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:48,960
that uh the president the vice president

1056
00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:51,900
the politicians don't have a need to

1057
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,819
know on this the military doesn't have a

1058
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,680
need to know on this this is something

1059
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:57,780
that is going to be independent from all

1060
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:00,780
of that to be kept from prying eyes and

1061
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:03,960
oversight and then Timber Chet with his

1062
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:07,140
anger and and Congress in the Senate but

1063
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,940
they're here they feel like they're

1064
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:10,859
hearing about this for the first time

1065
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,819
it's by Design isn't it yeah and I can

1066
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:16,140
tell you one of the things that we

1067
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,460
didn't mention at the beginning of this

1068
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:20,520
is that I also own mufon television and

1069
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:22,500
I am the media relations director for

1070
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:24,060
mufon which means that you know like

1071
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,319
right now we're working on a big episode

1072
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,020
of Ancient Aliens about mufon we have

1073
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,359
been in Washington DC behind closed

1074
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:32,880
doors having meetings we've influenced

1075
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:36,180
uh some of the new uh protocols that are

1076
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,339
going to go into place we helped with

1077
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:40,560
some of the by consulting or some of the

1078
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,880
language that went into the

1079
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,400
Appropriations act that got passed and

1080
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,839
we're going to have a seat at the table

1081
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,119
in these in these panels and what we're

1082
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,880
finding is that exactly what you said

1083
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,760
these guys really they're interested

1084
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,859
they're angry they don't understand why

1085
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,599
they're not they know they're being lied

1086
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,040
to they know they're being lied to by

1087
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,920
everybody some of them have uh you know

1088
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:03,540
a passion for the topic and have studied

1089
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,680
it some of them just know there's

1090
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:06,780
something going on the threat narrative

1091
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,579
is Alive and Well in Washington DC but

1092
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,700
the movement by the body politic in my

1093
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,220
opinion is the it's not the first time

1094
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:18,720
it's happened it's not going to be the

1095
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:21,180
last and at the end of the day it's a

1096
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:22,319
pretty

1097
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:23,579
uh

1098
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,839
it's not a effective organization to get

1099
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:30,240
to the truth these guys cannot demand

1100
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,859
the truth from the people that have it

1101
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,660
because a they don't know who those

1102
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,720
people are right B even if they did

1103
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,880
they're not going to put they're not

1104
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,040
going to have the political will and the

1105
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,260
political courage to do what has to be

1106
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:45,540
done to push this issue

1107
00:46:54,609 --> 00:46:49,560
now what what can be done about this

1108
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,619
because I am sure that if you are

1109
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:57,359
sitting on a committee in the senate or

1110
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:01,079
in the house and you understand your job

1111
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,800
and responsibilities but suddenly you're

1112
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,660
stonewalled and you don't have a

1113
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,880
direction to go in for answers

1114
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,460
that that's a big problem isn't it where

1115
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:13,920
they know that there's something going

1116
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:16,380
on but there is absolutely what they

1117
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,940
feel there's nothing that they can do

1118
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:20,280
about it and that's not a situation you

1119
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,579
want in on Capitol Hill I would think no

1120
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,440
and in my interview with with Tim

1121
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,660
birchett he really lays it out that

1122
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:30,240
unfortunately there's only so far that

1123
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,619
any of these guys are going to go

1124
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:33,599
because there's a certain level of

1125
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,640
political corruption there's a certain

1126
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:38,579
level of self-preservation you know we

1127
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:40,260
know what happened to Admiral Wilson he

1128
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,880
basically was told that he was going to

1129
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,160
not get a promotion if he continued to

1130
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,099
push the issue there are people that

1131
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,900
then there are these people that have

1132
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,760
these ways of exerting pressure when

1133
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:53,280
pressure needs to be exerted to back off

1134
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:57,000
and a perfect example of that is

1135
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,540
um

1136
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,880
uh Marco Rubio

1137
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
you know let's look at that he was he

1138
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,040
was a staunch advocate of of a movement

1139
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,480
for truth and all of a sudden they had

1140
00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:08,400
that meeting behind closed doors on

1141
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,579
Capitol Hill and it was like Marco

1142
00:48:15,050 --> 00:48:13,440
crickets nothing guys barely said

1143
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,060
anything about the entire topic since

1144
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:18,000
that meeting and so something happened

1145
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:19,800
where it was like either yeah here's

1146
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:23,579
what's going on it's time but no and and

1147
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,560
you know my guess is he walked out of

1148
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,540
there just shaking his head just going

1149
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,280
yeah you know what I can understand why

1150
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,200
we can't tell people this stuff either

1151
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:33,119
that or he was just told you've gone as

1152
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:36,300
far as you can go back off but he was a

1153
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,020
vocal opponent of the uh truth embargo

1154
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:42,540
right up until they had those private

1155
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,300
briefings uh to the uh to the Committees

1156
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,339
and then nothing they walked out of

1157
00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:50,099
those briefings silent nobody made even

1158
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,859
a comment and it's it's it's interesting

1159
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:57,540
okay let me ask you about that

1160
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,020
um what do you think uh I obviously this

1161
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:03,480
is going to be an opinion but what do

1162
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:07,500
you think it was revealed in that it at

1163
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:09,540
the UFO hearing and we can talk more

1164
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,819
about that after the Break

1165
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,640
um when it was brought up by one of the

1166
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,380
community members

1167
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:18,480
um are we going to talk about E.T in the

1168
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,540
classified briefing this afternoon that

1169
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:24,420
was a question at the UFO hearing and I

1170
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,859
want to know about E.T now but if you

1171
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,260
can't talk about E.T now is that going

1172
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,300
to be later in the classified briefing

1173
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,300
and if we swing this over to Marco Rubio

1174
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:36,240
who I remember TMZ stopped him in the

1175
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:37,560
airport so what about the little green

1176
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,400
men right and and Marco's he was willing

1177
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:43,440
to talk about it you know right there

1178
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,980
and and it seems that now

1179
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:49,680
it's it's not there is it because they

1180
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,380
were told you know little green men that

1181
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,079
this is something else uh is that is

1182
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,960
seriously going on that isn't uh

1183
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,880
originating here on planet Earth and is

1184
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:01,560
that enough to scare the crap out of a

1185
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,560
Rubio or or somebody else

1186
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:06,660
well here's the thing I'll get asked

1187
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,980
this question a lot and the question

1188
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:10,020
that I get asked and I'll Circle back to

1189
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:12,180
your answer is you know well what's the

1190
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:13,800
reason for the secrecy and what do you

1191
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:17,040
think uh the human response will be to

1192
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,839
finding out and there's there's always

1193
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,280
been this thing where people say well

1194
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,040
we're ready for the truth but it's not a

1195
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:26,220
generic answer my response to that is it

1196
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,339
depends on the context if you tell an

1197
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,960
entire planet that we're not alone in

1198
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:33,119
the universe but there's aliens they

1199
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:34,740
mind their own business we mind ours

1200
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,500
they're super Superior to us and and uh

1201
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,960
you know just move along then people are

1202
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:41,400
just going to go okay well we knew that

1203
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:42,660
and they're going to go about their day

1204
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,480
but if you say Hey you know we're not

1205
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:47,040
alone in the universe we don't

1206
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:49,319
understand the methods of these beings

1207
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:52,140
they're abducting people they're who

1208
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,880
knows what else they're up to what what

1209
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,859
kind who knows what we are maybe we

1210
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:58,319
could be food we could be a genetic farm

1211
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,900
at the end of the day we could be

1212
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,599
property if if the answer is something

1213
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,180
more along those lines then that's going

1214
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,160
to cause Widespread Panic and a complete

1215
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,380
disintegration of everybody's perception

1216
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,319
of their own self-importance and and

1217
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:15,359
Humanity's importance so the the answer

1218
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,220
to the question is

1219
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:19,680
the reason for the secrecy may have to

1220
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,940
do with the context and so if these guys

1221
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:25,500
are pulled back by closed doors and it's

1222
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,859
like look yeah there's a number of

1223
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,200
non-human intelligences at work here

1224
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,780
some of them are nefarious some of them

1225
00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:35,819
might be benevolent but the fact of the

1226
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,040
matter is that people don't need to know

1227
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:40,980
and here's why then yeah they could walk

1228
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,180
out of that room and never say another

1229
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,760
word because I believe that

1230
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:47,640
they they are they are being reasoned

1231
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:51,059
with to keep mom rather than threatened

1232
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:53,220
to keep mom so in other words you sit

1233
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,020
him down in the room you say this is why

1234
00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:57,900
we can't tell people and and they walk

1235
00:52:02,089 --> 00:51:59,220
out and they're like yeah no [\h__\h] I'm

1236
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:02,099
not going to do it right so instead of

1237
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:03,660
if you tell this is what's going on and

1238
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:05,640
if you tell people that uh you know

1239
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,780
you're gonna get in trouble and you're

1240
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,640
going to get you know go and go to jail

1241
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,380
blah blah blah I don't think they could

1242
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,240
be threatened into silence but I think

1243
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:14,460
that they can be reasoned into silence

1244
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:19,079
here's why uh I I agree with you it may

1245
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:20,579
not be for the reasons you think though

1246
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:23,000
but I want to make this point

1247
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:26,880
that let's look at the alternative that

1248
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:30,359
they are told uh behind closed doors

1249
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:33,660
that it's not UFOs that that China has

1250
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:35,940
made a big leap in technology and

1251
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:38,940
they've got anti-gravity and this stuff

1252
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:42,300
that is coming into our airspace is

1253
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:45,180
adversarial that would scare the crap

1254
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:49,079
out of Marco Rubio for sure and that is

1255
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,400
something that he wouldn't talk about

1256
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,680
but here's the alternative to that

1257
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,680
this is why that never happened because

1258
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,720
then Marco Rubio would have come out and

1259
00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:00,720
said yep ETS are real he's not going to

1260
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:02,900
say the other

1261
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,839
the excuse for all of this the story

1262
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:09,119
that they would go with is that it's ET

1263
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:11,700
they would never they would not freak

1264
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:14,280
out the World by saying that Putin has

1265
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,200
got anti-gravity and he can time travel

1266
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,200
whatever it may be but no they wouldn't

1267
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,180
come out and say that therefore I don't

1268
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,000
think that that's what they were told

1269
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:26,640
right no I think I think that's true and

1270
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,619
I think that the uh I don't think that

1271
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:30,780
the the these

1272
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:32,819
other countries and adversaries have

1273
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:34,260
this technology but then if you look at

1274
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,780
Tom delong's book secret machines he

1275
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,880
actually postulates that that's exactly

1276
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,680
true that we have this and this was

1277
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,720
supposed to be this big Revelation novel

1278
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,180
from inside information

1279
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,400
um and so I'm not saying that that I

1280
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:48,960
think it's correct because there's a lot

1281
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:51,540
about that series that really seems like

1282
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:53,819
it was just gleaned from the Mythos but

1283
00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:57,119
the uh you know in in that book uh they

1284
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,119
have the the anti-gravity uh craft

1285
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:02,940
Russia has them we have them they don't

1286
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:05,160
mention China but and then there's an ET

1287
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:07,260
component that's that's involved in

1288
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:09,059
these craft and that this is all

1289
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:12,300
something that that has been uh you know

1290
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,579
created from back in the uh the days of

1291
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,859
German technology so there is that whole

1292
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,960
timeline Mythos

1293
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,420
but you have to ask yourself if if we

1294
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:23,760
really have this technology even at the

1295
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:26,339
deepest Secrets uh then you know why are

1296
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:27,960
we letting this thing happen in Ukraine

1297
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:30,900
yeah that's the biggest point of all Ron

1298
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,380
right there if if Putin had uh

1299
00:54:39,309 --> 00:54:37,020
anti-gravity tr3bs

1300
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,319
we would see it in Ukraine right now

1301
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:41,640
yeah something would be going on we

1302
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:43,140
would love for some reason we're not

1303
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:45,300
doing it you know I know you said stay

1304
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,680
out of the chat but this guy's string

1305
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,480
Gene just said something that that

1306
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,359
Echoes what I was about to say

1307
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,240
for people you know people could say oh

1308
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,680
they're they're lying to us oh they're

1309
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,700
keeping us a secret they've been

1310
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,559
covering it up for years and and and

1311
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:01,680
that is largely true but

1312
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,680
I can say that I believe that for the

1313
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:06,839
people that in the field that really

1314
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,720
want the answers these same people that

1315
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:11,760
have been keeping this secret have been

1316
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:14,040
peppering the answers to anybody who

1317
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,859
wants to look they're they're there and

1318
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,960
so if you've dedicated your life to

1319
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:20,880
being a UFO researcher and that that

1320
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,119
question is burning your existence there

1321
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:26,700
these guys are making sure that if you

1322
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,099
really want to know yeah you know you

1323
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:31,020
can find out most of of what's going on

1324
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:32,160
you're going to have to use your own

1325
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,020
discernment to figure out what's BS and

1326
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,500
what's not but but we have always done

1327
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,040
what we can to give information to the

1328
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:43,380
people that are able to look for it and

1329
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:44,900
willing to look for it

1330
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,240
see what you did Ron Jimmy said stay out

1331
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,760
of the chat no that's not Ron's not

1332
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,520
saying that well though let me explain

1333
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,920
that the last time we were the last time

1334
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,079
I was on your show I was literally

1335
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:00,480
typing back to people in the chat yeah

1336
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,059
he was like Ron we're doing a show you

1337
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:04,920
gotta knock that off you know because I

1338
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:06,300
was like I haven't typing at the

1339
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,619
keyboard and I'm responding to people

1340
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:09,480
and he's like chill out so so you didn't

1341
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,540
tell me nothing against the chat yeah

1342
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:14,700
that's uh yeah it's not uh that's kind

1343
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:17,940
of funny see you know um uh I love it

1344
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people actually pay attention to the

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listening to us let's take a quick break

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our guest tonight is Ron James his new

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film it's about to be released is called

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accidental truth and uh be as I as I get

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this ready

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um we will have the trailer up and out

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and as soon as it is available

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um I will let everybody know in the

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meantime we're going to take this break

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

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am your host Jimmy church I guess

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01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:08,520
tonight Ron James his new film is called

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01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:12,180
accidental truth and the trailer will be

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01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,020
out soon and uh like within the week and

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01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:18,119
we will hit social media with that and

1433
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:19,980
of course you can go to Accidental truth

1434
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:23,040
it's got an asset an s in there I think

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01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:28,670
because I could I couldn't get the

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01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:31,260
singular so I had to take it yes so

1437
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,299
there you go and we've got the links uh

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01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:35,460
uh for everything you can go and there

1439
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:37,859
there is a little uh trailer that I put

1440
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:39,299
together but it's not the official one

1441
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:40,980
and it's definitely not anything super

1442
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:43,260
great but you can see it at that website

1443
01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:45,960
and it actually forwards you to a place

1444
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,540
inside move on television yeah there you

1445
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:51,660
go and I appreciate that Ron

1446
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:55,400
um the what is what is the path forward

1447
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:00,119
uh now and uh we've I've got a whole

1448
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,500
list of of questions here in my head uh

1449
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:06,180
about this because if we go back to

1450
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:09,440
October 31st where we had this deadline

1451
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:12,839
uh semi-official deadline That was

1452
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:16,260
supposed to have been written into uh

1453
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:20,280
the last budget uh for a UFO report that

1454
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,339
that never made it uh never made it uh

1455
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:25,440
to Capitol Hill

1456
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:28,380
um do you anticipate paid in this path

1457
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,579
forward a release of of that report that

1458
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,280
was due uh on Halloween

1459
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,720
well you know it's interesting that they

1460
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:38,880
managed to sidestep that and not have to

1461
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:40,920
put out a report and that just kind of

1462
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,780
shows that the tug of war that's

1463
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:44,400
happening within the military and

1464
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,500
government com industrial complex the

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01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:48,960
front-facing guys and the puppeteers

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01:01:53,930 --> 01:01:52,380
behind them uh as Richard Dolan says in

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01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:53,940
my film if they can drag this out for

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01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:55,619
another 50 years they're going to do it

1469
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,280
and what we unfortunately are just going

1470
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,200
to have to accept is that we're going to

1471
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,540
be told what we're going to be told and

1472
01:02:07,809 --> 01:02:05,579
we're just going to have to take it and

1473
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:07,819
and be happy we're getting something

1474
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:10,920
eventually the truth will come out

1475
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:12,780
um but who knows how long it's going to

1476
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:16,020
take uh and who knows if we as people

1477
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:17,880
are going to make it to the point where

1478
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:19,559
we're actually deserving of that truth

1479
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,380
the you know there's a lot of people

1480
01:02:26,089 --> 01:02:24,000
that believe in this whole Galactic

1481
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:26,099
Federation idea of the prime directive

1482
01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:27,960
from Star Trek and that there's certain

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01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:29,940
things that we have to achieve on our

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01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,000
own in the evolution of

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01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:34,799
our own species and our own

1486
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:36,839
Consciousness before we're really going

1487
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:39,780
to be eligible to be privy to this

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01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:41,700
information and have this whole new

1489
01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:45,000
Gateway of the Stars open up to us and

1490
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,680
another thing is that you know toward

1491
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:48,240
the end of accidental truth we start

1492
01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:50,520
really exploring all of the other things

1493
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:53,819
that these that is at play this is not

1494
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,380
just little green men from Alpha

1495
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:58,200
Centauri this is consciousness it's

1496
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:01,140
nature of reality it is there are things

1497
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,140
that are so profound and so deep in the

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01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,760
way they're going to affect us that are

1499
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:08,400
part of this phenomenon that

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01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:10,140
a lot of people can make the argument

1501
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:11,700
that we don't even know what questions

1502
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:13,140
to ask yet

1503
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:15,720
I think Tim burchett has has rubbed off

1504
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,059
on you because you you sidestep the

1505
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:21,839
question okay so let's go back but my

1506
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,140
question do you do you anticipate the

1507
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:27,540
election is over right there's no more

1508
01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:30,900
excuses on on that end

1509
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:33,780
um do you anticipate a release of that

1510
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:36,540
report in 2023 well there's going to be

1511
01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:38,280
a release of something I mean I have

1512
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:40,020
information for sure that that's that's

1513
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,359
going to happen is it going to be

1514
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:44,520
anything more exciting than the last one

1515
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:46,440
they released probably not it's going to

1516
01:03:51,309 --> 01:03:48,180
be as watered down as humanly possible

1517
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:51,319
now I'm going back to Washington The

1518
01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:54,059
Accidental truth part two is uh

1519
01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:55,140
tentatively going to be called

1520
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,200
accidentally on purpose and uh I'm

1521
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,480
actually going back to Washington DC at

1522
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,420
the end of January uh there's a there's

1523
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:05,280
a big meeting the move on board of

1524
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:06,900
directors is convening we've been given

1525
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:11,339
offices uh to to work out of as we kind

1526
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:14,520
of start putting together a a tapestry

1527
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,960
of

1528
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,880
what it's going to look like to have a

1529
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:20,640
civilian entity having input into these

1530
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:22,140
committees and having access to a

1531
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,400
certain amount of information and

1532
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,839
helping to work with how that's going to

1533
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:27,059
get dispersed how is that going to work

1534
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:29,160
I have no idea

1535
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,540
um even though I'm a media relations

1536
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,839
director for mufon I'm not sure that uh

1537
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:35,520
you know having a seat at that

1538
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:39,599
particular table is really going to be

1539
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:42,660
beneficial to to our cause the the one

1540
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:44,460
thing that there's too many people in

1541
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:47,160
our field right now a lot of them that

1542
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:48,720
have been pulled aside and been told

1543
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:50,099
look I'm going to tell you something but

1544
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:52,260
you can't share it and and so they've

1545
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,319
traded the inside knowledge for the

1546
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:57,540
commitment to reveal to the public

1547
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,780
anything that they find out and

1548
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,640
it's really sad to see it happen it's

1549
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,040
widespread I'm not going to name names

1550
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:07,799
but it's more more people than it's not

1551
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:10,380
and so once you become a part of the

1552
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:13,260
secrecy then you're not really serving a

1553
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:18,000
mission to Enlighten the public and so

1554
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:19,740
it's happened to a lot of people in the

1555
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:22,680
field I'm interested to see how this

1556
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:24,299
evolves in Washington how these

1557
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:25,859
different groups play out you know we've

1558
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:27,420
got NASA oh they're going to start

1559
01:05:31,210 --> 01:05:29,579
studying it I mean give me a break you

1560
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,220
know they covered up Life on Mars in

1561
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,319
1976. so who who is NASA to come forward

1562
01:05:39,289 --> 01:05:36,540
and say oh yeah we're forming a group

1563
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:39,299
within NASA to study UAP and now we have

1564
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,920
the one at the Pentagon and now we have

1565
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,000
another one that's going to be a whole

1566
01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:44,460
independent office and the one thing

1567
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:47,579
that's that's been consistent since 2017

1568
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:50,099
is that there has been a new program

1569
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:53,040
that was just about to start

1570
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:54,780
and then all of a sudden it's replaced

1571
01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:56,460
by another new program that's just about

1572
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:58,440
to start and a report that's just about

1573
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:01,440
to be released and it's it seems like if

1574
01:06:06,349 --> 01:06:03,660
you study the the the field going way

1575
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:06,359
back and you know this Jimmy uh this is

1576
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,240
just a it's a Playbook that's been in in

1577
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:12,240
motion since you know the 40s so we're

1578
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:14,339
not seeing anything new we're just we're

1579
01:06:18,849 --> 01:06:15,900
not seeing a new script we're not seeing

1580
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:18,859
a new movie we're just seeing a remake

1581
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:22,319
the there must be

1582
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:23,640
um I don't know if you can comment on

1583
01:06:29,470 --> 01:06:25,260
this directly but I'm going to ask the

1584
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:29,480
question anyway there must be

1585
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:33,359
those in the Washington DC metropolitan

1586
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:35,880
area that don't want mufon involved in

1587
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,660
this

1588
01:06:41,450 --> 01:06:39,240
right that they don't want you going and

1589
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,460
and talking to members and

1590
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:44,400
representatives and senators and and and

1591
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,920
getting involved have you have you had

1592
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:48,359
that kind of pushback

1593
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:49,980
no

1594
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:55,020
has been around for going on 55 years

1595
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:57,180
and I will be the first to acknowledge

1596
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:58,980
that they've had their ups and downs and

1597
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,140
that's an understatement but the

1598
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:04,680
organization today is evolved it's

1599
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,319
professional it's tight it's good at

1600
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:09,119
what they do and there is no other

1601
01:07:13,069 --> 01:07:11,160
organization on the planet that can do

1602
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,079
this and what's really interesting is

1603
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:15,359
that we're not going to them asking for

1604
01:07:20,089 --> 01:07:17,640
anything they are more interested in

1605
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,099
what we can provide to them and the

1606
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,559
reason is because we're the ones with

1607
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:25,140
150 000 cases in our database we're the

1608
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:26,579
ones with the largest body of

1609
01:07:33,230 --> 01:07:31,020
independent research in in our files and

1610
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,240
this info this information and sharing

1611
01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:35,160
of some of this information is very

1612
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:37,500
valuable and so nobody else brings that

1613
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:39,780
to the table and nobody else has the

1614
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,119
reach that mufon has and nobody else has

1615
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,000
the uh the ability to interact with the

1616
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:47,039
public in such a way that as information

1617
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:49,380
comes out you know people are going to

1618
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:50,819
have to have a place to go they're going

1619
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,140
to have to have a place to find like

1620
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:53,760
minds they're going to have to have a

1621
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,920
place to collectively reconcile the

1622
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,780
information there's no other group on

1623
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:59,760
the planet that's better positioned to

1624
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:02,039
be an interface between the general

1625
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:04,980
civilian population and the information

1626
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,059
as it comes out yeah but that's that but

1627
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,240
that is my point Ron that that is what

1628
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:14,760
you guys bring to the table and there

1629
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:17,160
has to be some in Washington that

1630
01:08:21,410 --> 01:08:19,020
doesn't want that

1631
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,420
well there it's the same people that

1632
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,279
don't want to if you're against the

1633
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,859
general release of that information then

1634
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:28,020
you might be against us being involved

1635
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,420
in that General release but we haven't

1636
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,359
detected any kind of direct targeting at

1637
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:35,100
mufon that's not covered under that

1638
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:37,980
overall umbrella if there's been nothing

1639
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:38,940
but

1640
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,500
um access

1641
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:42,239
meetings

1642
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,719
um conversations with people uh Beyond

1643
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:47,520
just committee staffers and stuff like

1644
01:08:52,010 --> 01:08:50,160
that I mean real serious involvement and

1645
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:52,020
the uh so

1646
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:53,640
yeah there might be people that are

1647
01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:56,040
against the broad release of information

1648
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:58,259
and mufan would get sucked up in that

1649
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:59,940
but we haven't experienced anything

1650
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:02,160
where we've been singled out of oh we

1651
01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:03,540
want disclosure but we don't want them

1652
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,100
involved nothing like that has happened

1653
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:07,500
oh I want to go back to a couple of

1654
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:09,000
points that you made at the beginning of

1655
01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:10,319
the show

1656
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:14,219
um about uh Bigelow uh Aerospace in that

1657
01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:16,620
and bass that

1658
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:18,859
um there was

1659
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:21,900
a lot of I'm going to say rumor but also

1660
01:09:26,209 --> 01:09:24,480
some public statements as well

1661
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,219
um and and stuff that was released into

1662
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,560
the press that I covered here and on

1663
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,239
coast to coast and and I've had

1664
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:32,580
discussions uh with many people about

1665
01:09:40,729 --> 01:09:37,440
and that is that Bigelow had a warehouse

1666
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:40,739
um that was you know full of uh crash

1667
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,339
debris and my comment then and we're

1668
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,799
going back many many many years here

1669
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,380
when when these uh stories start to

1670
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:51,779
surface I had said then

1671
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:54,900
if I was in possession of anything like

1672
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:58,199
that I'm doing a press conference

1673
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,300
I'm not going to hide behind anything I

1674
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:03,360
am going to go public I don't you know

1675
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,340
and and that's it because it would be

1676
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:07,199
one of the greatest discoveries if not

1677
01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:10,380
the greatest statement and reveal in the

1678
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:13,560
history of mankind and why would you sit

1679
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:17,400
on that so you made that comment earlier

1680
01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:20,520
about uh Bigelow and and crash debris do

1681
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:24,600
you believe that Bigelow bass in any uh

1682
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:28,140
in any version of this was in possession

1683
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,080
of of Crash debris

1684
01:10:35,149 --> 01:10:33,840
from an alien craft or was that a smoke

1685
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:35,159
screen

1686
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,000
well let me just say that accidental

1687
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:42,239
truth is called that for a reason and

1688
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,340
the answer to that question is revealed

1689
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:46,860
in the film by anybody who's got enough

1690
01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:49,460
common sense to see it when it happens

1691
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,219
the uh the the stuff that was studied at

1692
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:55,260
big little Aerospace there's a there

1693
01:11:02,090 --> 01:10:59,280
there's a history here and I'm going to

1694
01:11:04,669 --> 01:11:02,100
some of this is some of this is just my

1695
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,679
own opinion so I don't I'm not stating

1696
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:06,480
this is historical fact

1697
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:07,800
but

1698
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:11,400
it seems to me that when uh Robert

1699
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:14,100
Bigelow went on 60 Minutes and and said

1700
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:16,620
aliens he did the one thing that nobody

1701
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,800
else was able to do or would do uh and

1702
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,480
we covered this in the film he said the

1703
01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:24,000
a word uh look what happened to him

1704
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,520
immediately after that Bigelow Aerospace

1705
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,800
uh was basically shut down because of

1706
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:30,840
covid but what really happened is NASA

1707
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:32,760
stiffed him for his contracts didn't pay

1708
01:11:37,970 --> 01:11:36,000
him his technology was cannibalized

1709
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,980
throughout Private Industry all of his

1710
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:39,600
space habitats everything else other

1711
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:42,239
companies picked up the ball basically I

1712
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,760
I think and again this is just my

1713
01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:46,800
opinion and and I've asked some people

1714
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:48,060
and they've said well no that's not

1715
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:49,380
really what happened but I don't believe

1716
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,860
those people but my guess is that that

1717
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,719
was a punishment for going on and

1718
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:56,159
spilling the beans like that on 60

1719
01:12:00,649 --> 01:11:59,100
Minutes and when the uh and and he paid

1720
01:12:03,169 --> 01:12:00,659
a heavy price for it you notice right

1721
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:03,179
after that he went off to life after

1722
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:05,340
death you know he's not even involved in

1723
01:12:10,729 --> 01:12:07,739
the ET stuff anymore or the conversation

1724
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:10,739
but then he got the double whammy when

1725
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:13,320
the Freedom of Information Act requests

1726
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:16,920
uh were dropped that exposed the fact

1727
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:18,360
that

1728
01:12:21,410 --> 01:12:20,040
um and this is in the film too not very

1729
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:21,420
many people know this and the people

1730
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,400
that do know it tried to debunk it but

1731
01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:25,440
the fact is that the defense

1732
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:27,659
intelligence agency admitted that there

1733
01:12:34,209 --> 01:12:30,860
was materials from crashed uaps being

1734
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,219
examined at Bigelow Aerospace they they

1735
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:37,560
admitted it in writing and we present

1736
01:12:40,669 --> 01:12:39,060
this in the film

1737
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,679
um now that was a double whammy for

1738
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,659
Bigelow because it's like he was just he

1739
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:45,600
he already got you know pretty much

1740
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:48,300
messed up from making the big reveal on

1741
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,420
60 Minutes he didn't need another big

1742
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,239
reveal about what was going on at Bass

1743
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:56,820
so what you'll see is you'll see it in

1744
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:58,380
the film and if you look at the at the

1745
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,300
history of what was going on

1746
01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:03,360
um right after this there was a big flap

1747
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,219
at the Pentagon there were certain guys

1748
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,440
that are big in our field going out

1749
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:09,480
doing everything they could to debunk

1750
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:12,840
these foia releases and then all of a

1751
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:15,540
sudden we have these new stories we have

1752
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,820
the New York Times saying well you know

1753
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,560
we said that there was a warehouse built

1754
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,120
to house the parts but we never said

1755
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,280
they were there then we have

1756
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:25,500
um you know the whole story being walked

1757
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,940
back to those materials we have

1758
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:29,760
reporting from from you know credible

1759
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:32,580
reporters yes there was materials there

1760
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:34,199
yes there was materials there then all

1761
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,320
of a sudden oh no no no I never serious

1762
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,600
yeah right right right so so what we

1763
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,000
have there is I think that that Bigelow

1764
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:44,400
stuck his neck out on 60 Minutes I think

1765
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,500
he paid a price for it and I think that

1766
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:49,020
when the whole big thing exploded onto

1767
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:51,659
the the scene about oh yeah material is

1768
01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:53,100
a big low Aerospace and this is what

1769
01:13:58,669 --> 01:13:55,640
they were and this is blah blah blah um

1770
01:14:01,850 --> 01:13:58,679
there was like no way he was going to be

1771
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:01,860
in a position to to you know be the Fall

1772
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,100
Guy for another big accidental truth so

1773
01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:07,199
and for people who want to know what the

1774
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:09,420
why that movie is called that that's why

1775
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:11,900
because the whole film is about

1776
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,600
accidentally revealing things that they

1777
01:14:19,729 --> 01:14:17,760
do not want us to know and doing it in

1778
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,739
such a way that there's you know if you

1779
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,480
have any common sense

1780
01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:24,480
and and critical thinking you watch this

1781
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,100
film and you're just going to shake your

1782
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:27,840
head and not because it's not a good

1783
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:28,980
film you're gonna shake your head

1784
01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:31,320
because it's so pathetic what we're

1785
01:14:39,229 --> 01:14:35,640
seeing unfold as the story gets revealed

1786
01:14:42,169 --> 01:14:39,239
um but yeah so of course there was it

1787
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:42,179
did okay now there is a difference I

1788
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,480
could be wrong here uh Ron there's a

1789
01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:48,960
difference between backwards engineering

1790
01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:52,739
a craft at Lockheed Skunk Works

1791
01:14:59,390 --> 01:14:56,120
a craft and and

1792
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,400
analyzing little melted pieces of metal

1793
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:01,679
that have been found in the ground right

1794
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,260
do you feel that's that's two different

1795
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:06,719
situations here do you think that

1796
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:11,100
Bigelow ever had a a component you know

1797
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:14,340
a component a p you know or did they

1798
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,140
only have

1799
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:19,679
slag and and melted materials well you

1800
01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:21,300
know slagging melted materials jock

1801
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,739
valet's got that stuff there's nothing

1802
01:15:27,950 --> 01:15:24,719
classified or

1803
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,960
um or but you understand but you

1804
01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:29,820
understand what I'm asking right there

1805
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:32,340
there's a difference between a a flying

1806
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:34,739
saucer right and then something else

1807
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:37,020
that you can't identify even if it was

1808
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:38,520
this small but you could look at it and

1809
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,400
go oh that that's something

1810
01:15:44,689 --> 01:15:43,440
um what do you think that Bigelow was in

1811
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,699
possession of

1812
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:47,040
well you know that's I don't want to go

1813
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,900
that far I've been told a couple things

1814
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:50,280
but I don't know if they're true or not

1815
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:53,580
and I and the the film is really what

1816
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,739
can we prove and so I'd want to add to

1817
01:15:59,570 --> 01:15:57,600
the Sea of speculation one thing that

1818
01:16:02,750 --> 01:15:59,580
I'm very careful about in putting out

1819
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,760
the film is that too many UFO

1820
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:04,800
documentaries they get you to the point

1821
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:06,840
where yeah okay that makes sense and

1822
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:08,520
then all of a sudden we got bases on

1823
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,460
Mars and and you know time traveling you

1824
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:12,719
know and so

1825
01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:15,840
I have I have this test I call it the

1826
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:19,080
Midwest bar test it's and it basically

1827
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,040
says

1828
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:22,500
that if you were to walk into a bar in

1829
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,300
the Midwest and you were to sit down

1830
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,640
with just average Americans sitting

1831
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:28,800
around having beer eating hot dogs and

1832
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,260
say I'm into UFOs and they said really

1833
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,320
well what do you think and you say well

1834
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,960
I think that there's a good uh body of

1835
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:38,159
evidence that there's been a

1836
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,460
extraterrestrial and uh imprint on

1837
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:43,440
Humanity from day one I think the

1838
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:44,699
government knows a lot more than they're

1839
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:47,400
saying and I think that there's you know

1840
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:51,719
pretty much 100 positive uh

1841
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,420
action that there's life off of Earth

1842
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,880
everybody in that Midwest bar with their

1843
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:58,860
beer they'd go yeah yeah yeah sure man

1844
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:00,659
no problem I get that that's pretty

1845
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:03,179
profound but then if you go on to say

1846
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,239
and um you know I used to be 20 years

1847
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:08,640
old and I got time regressed and went to

1848
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:10,380
Mars and then I came back and I used to

1849
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:13,080
fight bugs and uh and and I live in a

1850
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,820
secret space Fleet and we time travel

1851
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:17,760
and okay now all of a sudden the guys in

1852
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:19,500
the midwest bar are gathering around you

1853
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,960
and they're gonna kick your ass and so

1854
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:24,480
yeah if it doesn't pass the Midwest bar

1855
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,679
test

1856
01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:27,960
other people can address that I'm not

1857
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,600
going to be that guy so I I have put out

1858
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,880
a film about what we can prove and as

1859
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,040
Ralph Blumenthal says in the film what

1860
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:37,199
we can prove is compelling enough and

1861
01:17:40,850 --> 01:17:39,239
I'll leave the the speculation in the

1862
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:40,860
wild stories which may or may not be

1863
01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:42,980
true I'm not denigrating anybody's stuff

1864
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:46,620
but it's just not a place that I want to

1865
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:49,560
be so when we talk about well what do I

1866
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:51,900
think was a big Low's place

1867
01:17:58,970 --> 01:17:52,440
um

1868
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:58,980
comment that was made in the Wilson

1869
01:18:05,630 --> 01:18:02,400
Davis uh document which I thought was

1870
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,640
extremely profound is the three guys

1871
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:07,679
from I'm going to say Lockheed we don't

1872
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:09,420
know if it was Lockheed but I think we

1873
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,820
can you know you know betting man is

1874
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:13,679
gonna say that it was Lockheed but the

1875
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,280
three guys so you've got uh a research

1876
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:19,199
guy you've got a lawyer and you've got

1877
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:23,300
the head of security right and they said

1878
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:27,179
allegedly again to Admiral Wilson uh we

1879
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:28,320
have a craft

1880
01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:32,520
and we think it can fly

1881
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:34,860
that's a pretty I mean that one line

1882
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:36,780
still to this day I mean that just

1883
01:18:42,770 --> 01:18:38,520
really sticks out

1884
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:42,780
do you believe that private industry is

1885
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:46,020
in possession of uh a craft not of this

1886
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,080
earth that is intact and and can fly

1887
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,320
yeah absolutely the there's been there's

1888
01:18:57,709 --> 01:18:54,480
evidence of multiple reverse engineering

1889
01:18:59,390 --> 01:18:57,719
programs that were funded and that were

1890
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,400
canceled because of a lack of progress

1891
01:19:04,850 --> 01:19:02,400
Eric Davis talks about it who is the

1892
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:04,860
other half of the Wilson Davis memo uh

1893
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,880
pair

1894
01:19:09,890 --> 01:19:07,860
um and he would know he's he's knee-deep

1895
01:19:12,110 --> 01:19:09,900
in all this stuff you know that if you

1896
01:19:15,229 --> 01:19:12,120
look at the uh it's it's the same people

1897
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,239
all the way back to to the bird names

1898
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:17,040
you know it's it's Alexander it's put

1899
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:19,620
off it's it's uh Eric Davis was part of

1900
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:21,900
it these are all the guys that were

1901
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:24,300
circling around trying to get to the to

1902
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:26,100
the guys that were deeper and they were

1903
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:27,420
read into a certain amount of stuff

1904
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:31,260
going way back enough to say okay you

1905
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:33,900
know look John we need you to say

1906
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:35,580
Roswell wasn't real but here's what

1907
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:37,800
really happened and so so you got these

1908
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:39,300
guys that are kind of their straddling

1909
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:42,420
the line I believe but um

1910
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,640
is there an intact craft yeah I think

1911
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:47,760
that there is and I think luellizando

1912
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:50,100
actually uh you know I'm sure you

1913
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:53,400
remember this he he told uh Danny

1914
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:56,040
Sheehan that he had seen in intact craft

1915
01:19:59,450 --> 01:19:58,020
and Danny Sheehan said something and it

1916
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,460
got Lou into a lot of trouble and he had

1917
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:01,620
to walk it back and we covered this in

1918
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,780
the movie uh the

1919
01:20:08,330 --> 01:20:05,760
um that what what happened there it's

1920
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,340
like well it's the same story on Bigelow

1921
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:10,500
and crash materials well I I went to a

1922
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:12,659
place that was set up for to have an

1923
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:14,280
attack craft but I didn't see an intact

1924
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,060
craft but the uh the the threads of the

1925
01:20:22,729 --> 01:20:20,159
story of unsuccessful reverse

1926
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:22,739
engineering programs uh there's a lot of

1927
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:25,800
them there's consistency in them and we

1928
01:20:28,669 --> 01:20:27,480
only need one of them to be true but I

1929
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:28,679
think yeah I think that they've

1930
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,980
recovered craft uh and but they haven't

1931
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,659
been able to figure out how to how to

1932
01:20:37,130 --> 01:20:35,040
work some of them and I think they've

1933
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:37,140
had some success with others

1934
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:39,900
now back to the path forward do you

1935
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,659
think that we'll have another hearing uh

1936
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:44,760
either in the senate or the house uh

1937
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:46,140
this year

1938
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:49,020
I I'm sure we will yeah there's of

1939
01:20:54,169 --> 01:20:51,300
course you know the the geopolitical

1940
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:54,179
situation is a big thing the political

1941
01:21:01,370 --> 01:20:57,420
upheaval is a big thing uh a lot of

1942
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:01,380
people think that back when uh ttsa

1943
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,900
rolled out part of the plan was that

1944
01:21:07,550 --> 01:21:05,760
Hillary was going to win you know then

1945
01:21:09,229 --> 01:21:07,560
the podesta crowd and the and the bill

1946
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:09,239
crowd everybody was going to get in and

1947
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:10,440
they were going to be able to really

1948
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,140
move forward the uh disclosure agenda

1949
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:15,120
but then when Trump won

1950
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:16,860
um and I'm not getting political here

1951
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,320
I'm just saying that that that changed

1952
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:22,560
the landscape and so this plan of

1953
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,880
disclosure that could have gone all the

1954
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:25,679
way to Hillary Clinton Steve Bassett is

1955
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:27,540
a big proponent that this was really in

1956
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,860
the works

1957
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:30,560
um

1958
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:33,540
I think that what happened is that all

1959
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:35,940
got changed and so that's when the the

1960
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:37,800
whole ttsa rollout and everything else

1961
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:39,900
they got thrown on their back feet by

1962
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:41,400
the fact that they didn't have that

1963
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,620
pipeline to to some sort of disclosure

1964
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:45,360
that had already been kind of arranged

1965
01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:48,420
and that's when the people that oppose

1966
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:51,239
it had a chance to regain their footing

1967
01:21:56,090 --> 01:21:54,179
and come back fighting so

1968
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:56,100
it's a lot of whether or not we have

1969
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,140
significant hearings are going to depend

1970
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:00,960
on two things the action of the body

1971
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:03,000
politic what's happening the

1972
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:05,640
geopolitical situation should put those

1973
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:09,000
into one category and then the uh the

1974
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,100
other thing is going to be how fast they

1975
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,159
enact that law and rather or not the

1976
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,920
whistleblowers come forward I do have

1977
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,719
information that there's work being done

1978
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:21,060
inside of Dia Danny Sheehan we'll talk

1979
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:22,440
about this

1980
01:22:27,229 --> 01:22:24,780
um they are trying to kind of form that

1981
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:27,239
pathway for UFO whistleblowers to be

1982
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:29,340
able to come forward and that

1983
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:32,040
legislation is the beginning of that

1984
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:33,659
um how long that's all going to take to

1985
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:38,820
unfold is you know anybody's guess but

1986
01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:40,980
there is Rumblings that there's going to

1987
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:42,600
be a new set of hearings and guys like

1988
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:44,760
Eric Davis and possibly Admiral Wilson

1989
01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:47,820
and people that that uh are in the know

1990
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:50,520
incredible make at some point Come

1991
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:52,620
forward I know that there's some of them

1992
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:53,880
that want to

1993
01:23:04,010 --> 01:22:59,040
is there a way uh to get the Air Force

1994
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:04,020
to cooperate where the uh out of all of

1995
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,880
the branches of the military you would

1996
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,980
think that it would be the air force

1997
01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:10,560
that is got the most data and the most

1998
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,020
footage in the most eyewitness uh

1999
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:15,600
interaction and and probably goes beyond

2000
01:23:21,229 --> 01:23:17,640
that than any other branch of the

2001
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:21,239
military but they they have seriously

2002
01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:23,940
stopped this train and and their

2003
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:25,980
involvement with this everything is uh

2004
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:29,219
come out almost exclusively uh from the

2005
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:32,520
United States Navy is there a way to get

2006
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:34,500
to the Air Force or are they too

2007
01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:37,980
comfortable with doing their own thing

2008
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:39,480
well you know the Air Force is

2009
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,460
conspicuously absent because the air

2010
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,440
force is Right Patterson the Air Forces

2011
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,020
is the whole everything that was

2012
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:47,760
happening back when this whole thing was

2013
01:23:52,189 --> 01:23:50,460
initiated and they have been arguably

2014
01:23:54,169 --> 01:23:52,199
the biggest guardian of this information

2015
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:54,179
the Navy might be encountering these

2016
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:57,060
craft but the air force holds the keys

2017
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,920
to the kingdom and they are in my

2018
01:24:03,709 --> 01:24:01,020
opinion they're being quiet for a reason

2019
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,719
because they want to keep the the

2020
01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:06,239
spotlight off of them because there's

2021
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,620
too many questions that could be

2022
01:24:12,050 --> 01:24:10,320
directly asked to the air force that

2023
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:12,060
they're going to have to answer one of

2024
01:24:15,709 --> 01:24:13,199
the things that we cover in the film

2025
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,719
it's it's an old story but it but we

2026
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:18,179
were able to to prove that it's true the

2027
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:20,699
Blue Room the the rumor Wright-Patterson

2028
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,460
Air Force Base it was rumored to have uh

2029
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:25,980
be a storage repository for crash debris

2030
01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:28,860
and technology and even bodies and it

2031
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,600
was there was a rumor that there was a

2032
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:33,120
film shot of this room

2033
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:34,679
and we found the Freedom of Information

2034
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:38,520
Act Trail where the existence of that

2035
01:24:43,570 --> 01:24:40,440
film was denied was denied was denied

2036
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:43,580
until it finally got to an office that

2037
01:24:49,630 --> 01:24:46,679
safeguarded media the Blue Room footage

2038
01:24:52,910 --> 01:24:49,640
from the Air Force's uh right Patterson

2039
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:52,920
was an actual media project it had an

2040
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:55,800
actual name that had a actual media

2041
01:25:02,689 --> 01:24:59,280
number and a date of its destruction and

2042
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:02,699
so the Wright-Patterson Blue Room story

2043
01:25:08,030 --> 01:25:06,000
is appears to be true just based on that

2044
01:25:10,130 --> 01:25:08,040
and some of the other accounts like from

2045
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:10,140
Barry Goldwater so the Air Force is

2046
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:12,540
knee-deep in this more than probably any

2047
01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:15,360
of the other services and um if you go

2048
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,060
back to the early history of the Air

2049
01:25:23,689 --> 01:25:20,159
Force Wright-Patterson

2050
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:23,699
um and Battelle Memorial Institute and

2051
01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:26,280
nitinol uh you know that's that's

2052
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:29,640
basically where that stuff came from the

2053
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,380
Battelle had a contract with Wright

2054
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,080
Patterson to do material studies nitinol

2055
01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:36,480
is a

2056
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,480
um it's it's a metal that they've knew

2057
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:41,520
very little about back in that time it's

2058
01:25:46,729 --> 01:25:43,800
a titanium alloy uh there was a

2059
01:25:49,729 --> 01:25:46,739
scientist at Patel that kind of figured

2060
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:49,739
out nitinol passed it off to the naval

2061
01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:52,920
weapons research laboratory but it

2062
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,320
originated from Patel

2063
01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:57,000
because they were given materials from

2064
01:26:01,790 --> 01:25:59,940
Wright Patterson to study and then the

2065
01:26:04,129 --> 01:26:01,800
history that was all covered up so the

2066
01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:04,139
Air Force is knee-deep in this further

2067
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:06,360
than probably any branch of the service

2068
01:26:12,370 --> 01:26:09,900
uh Chris Mellon wrote about this uh a

2069
01:26:15,890 --> 01:26:12,380
couple of years ago in one of his op-eds

2070
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:15,900
and in the breakdown of that uh there's

2071
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,800
this one one paragraph that uh stood out

2072
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:22,260
at least for me

2073
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:25,320
um and not much was made of this in the

2074
01:26:28,669 --> 01:26:27,060
media and I would have thought that a

2075
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:28,679
really good journalist you know would

2076
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:30,540
have jumped on that and said okay what's

2077
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:32,520
going on here and turn around a question

2078
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:35,520
the Pentagon and the point of this is

2079
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:38,699
Chris said that there was a secure

2080
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,880
secure chat room inside of the Pentagon

2081
01:26:45,310 --> 01:26:43,380
where all of the branches of the

2082
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:45,320
military could collectively get together

2083
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:48,360
and and talk about uaps and and what

2084
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,540
they have learned and the Air Force

2085
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:54,000
found out that there were some Air Force

2086
01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:56,040
personnel participating in that chat

2087
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:59,639
room and literally sent out a directive

2088
01:27:04,370 --> 01:27:02,340
that no Air Force personnel are to

2089
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:04,380
participate in that secure chat room

2090
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:07,980
about uaps and and when melon wrote that

2091
01:27:12,290 --> 01:27:10,260
I said she said wait a minute here isn't

2092
01:27:15,890 --> 01:27:12,300
that exactly what they should be doing

2093
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,900
but nobody followed up on that run

2094
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:18,719
yeah um the Air Forces knee deep in this

2095
01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:20,040
and they've got the thing is is they've

2096
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,739
got the most documented history with

2097
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:24,420
this stuff if you talk to guys like

2098
01:27:27,229 --> 01:27:25,860
Michael schrat who could tell you the

2099
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:27,239
whole story he can tell you the name of

2100
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:28,560
the plane that picked up the stuff from

2101
01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:30,659
Roswell where it flew all the way down

2102
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,820
to the name of the pilot the thing is is

2103
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,520
they they can't whitewash a lot of this

2104
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:37,920
history going back to you could argue

2105
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,420
rather than started around the Roswell

2106
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:41,520
time with that incident or others like

2107
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:44,219
it or World War II you can you can you

2108
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:46,380
can have that debate but the Air Force

2109
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,139
was instrumental in all of that in that

2110
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:51,840
transition between Army to Air Force

2111
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:54,960
this was all going on and um

2112
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:57,480
so that they've got the uh the Navy

2113
01:28:01,250 --> 01:27:59,040
might have the Tic Tacs but the Air

2114
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:01,260
Force has the pedigree

2115
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:04,380
and the the other part with uh the path

2116
01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:08,040
moving forward are the you know citizens

2117
01:28:12,590 --> 01:28:09,540
of this country you know the the

2118
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:12,600
constituents and so forth is that enough

2119
01:28:21,709 --> 01:28:17,820
of a force uh to cause action in in

2120
01:28:23,570 --> 01:28:21,719
Washington DC and they uh you can't you

2121
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:23,580
know necessarily keep your head in the

2122
01:28:29,689 --> 01:28:25,100
sand or

2123
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:29,699
not have the motivation to go and ask

2124
01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:32,960
questions and to move this forward

2125
01:28:38,209 --> 01:28:35,940
those are elected officials by us is

2126
01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:38,219
that enough of a motivation

2127
01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:40,260
well here's how it was explained to me

2128
01:28:45,290 --> 01:28:43,260
if enough people I mean politicians you

2129
01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:45,300
know at the end of the day think of them

2130
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:47,400
however you will they're into their own

2131
01:28:52,669 --> 01:28:50,280
self-preservation if everybody in a

2132
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:52,679
congressman's district a huge number of

2133
01:28:56,090 --> 01:28:54,780
people an influential number of people a

2134
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:56,100
number of people that could influence

2135
01:29:01,790 --> 01:28:58,920
his ability to be re-elected or to push

2136
01:29:04,729 --> 01:29:01,800
this issue with him he would push the

2137
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:04,739
issue the problem is there is not enough

2138
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:07,320
Collective will among the people to rise

2139
01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:09,900
up and demand the truth uh and that's

2140
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:11,400
probably never going to change because

2141
01:29:16,189 --> 01:29:13,320
people are distracted with their daily

2142
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:16,199
lives the you know nobody's going to get

2143
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:18,060
elected to congress because they promise

2144
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,580
they're going to put a lid off the UFO

2145
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:22,500
thing they're most more likely to to get

2146
01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:26,040
laughed away even today so the answer is

2147
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,460
yes if enough of us go and make enough

2148
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:32,159
noise to the point where these guys have

2149
01:29:35,810 --> 01:29:33,540
to listen to us just because of the

2150
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,820
shared numbers we will be able to make a

2151
01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:37,440
lot more Headway than if we don't do

2152
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:39,420
that because as

2153
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:42,000
this is a it's a it's a It's a Spooky

2154
01:29:45,709 --> 01:29:44,100
Topic at best even if you're a

2155
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,719
politician in Washington that would be

2156
01:29:48,890 --> 01:29:47,760
willing to look into it you're still

2157
01:29:51,169 --> 01:29:48,900
going to face a certain amount of

2158
01:29:53,629 --> 01:29:51,179
ridicule Timber chat it was the biggest

2159
01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:53,639
thing that challenged his re-election is

2160
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,620
people making fun of him about the UFO

2161
01:30:01,250 --> 01:29:57,780
thing he did win re-election thank

2162
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,260
goodness but um yeah these guys they'll

2163
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:03,600
do it to a point and and that point will

2164
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:05,880
be my constituents are demanding the

2165
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,340
truth in vast numbers I'm going to have

2166
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,320
to to take some action

2167
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,000
right up until the point where he gets

2168
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,679
pulled into that room and told why he's

2169
01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:15,420
not going to do it

2170
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:18,420
there was let's stay on uh Burchette for

2171
01:30:23,930 --> 01:30:19,520
a second

2172
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:23,940
his comments after the the hearing I

2173
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:25,260
think were more important than the

2174
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:28,440
hearing itself and he was using words

2175
01:30:32,330 --> 01:30:30,540
like sham that this this hearing was

2176
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,340
Hashem that our government my government

2177
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:35,280
he said is lying to us and and lying to

2178
01:30:39,310 --> 01:30:37,980
the people uh those are really really

2179
01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:39,320
big words

2180
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:43,560
why do you think that the the

2181
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:47,280
conversation started uh back in 2017

2182
01:30:53,450 --> 01:30:51,239
were suddenly disclosure and UFOs were

2183
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:53,460
allowed to be talked about in in a

2184
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,860
public form and to have somebody like

2185
01:31:01,010 --> 01:30:58,800
Tim Burchette uh come out and say these

2186
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,020
things so why the change

2187
01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:03,360
well it was all the media thing that

2188
01:31:06,410 --> 01:31:04,860
happened with Lou and Chris they went to

2189
01:31:08,990 --> 01:31:06,420
the to the New York Times They got the

2190
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:09,000
New York Times to publish the story that

2191
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:12,179
lit a fire it led a huge fire and so

2192
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:14,639
when you have people coming from you

2193
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:16,440
know inside government the former under

2194
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,360
secretary of defense for intelligence a

2195
01:31:22,250 --> 01:31:20,880
guy that was uh you know high up the

2196
01:31:24,169 --> 01:31:22,260
ladder at the defense intelligence

2197
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:24,179
agency these are these are real

2198
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:26,040
government insiders coming out with a

2199
01:31:30,110 --> 01:31:28,739
bombshell and so yeah it ignited the

2200
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:30,120
conversation and there was no getting

2201
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:32,219
away from it and

2202
01:31:37,729 --> 01:31:34,679
it accidentally do you think that

2203
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:37,739
something happened before that though

2204
01:31:42,649 --> 01:31:41,460
something allowed melon to to be in that

2205
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:42,659
comfort zone

2206
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:46,320
and you know and Steve Justice right and

2207
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:50,760
and Jim semivan and others to just uh

2208
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:52,620
start speaking about this in such a

2209
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:55,260
public way leaking yeah these guys have

2210
01:31:59,930 --> 01:31:56,880
been talking about this for a long time

2211
01:32:01,610 --> 01:31:59,940
you know Lou really was uh and I do

2212
01:32:02,750 --> 01:32:01,620
believe in that he was frustrated with

2213
01:32:04,250 --> 01:32:02,760
the fact that he wasn't getting the

2214
01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:04,260
attention inside of government but what

2215
01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:07,620
I think he didn't know is that he was he

2216
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:08,940
wasn't getting attention inside of

2217
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:10,980
government because that's a policy the

2218
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,920
the front-facing military are are part

2219
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:15,840
of the ridicule Factor not part of the

2220
01:32:21,050 --> 01:32:17,880
let's investigate this and I'm not sure

2221
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:21,060
he understood that at the time but you

2222
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:22,380
know these guys got together and said

2223
01:32:25,850 --> 01:32:23,940
yeah we're gonna go and there was a

2224
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:25,860
certain amount of green lighting nobody

2225
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:27,960
got got in their way and opposed them

2226
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:30,900
I'm sure there were discussions within

2227
01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:32,880
the classified Community about what they

2228
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:34,380
were going to be able to say and what

2229
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:36,780
they can't we covered that in accidental

2230
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,280
truths but this thing didn't just happen

2231
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:40,800
all of a sudden one day Lou decides to

2232
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:44,340
call Leslie King this was right he's in

2233
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:46,440
the works for a really long time yeah

2234
01:32:50,450 --> 01:32:48,300
and it was an organized rollout of

2235
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:50,460
information with with approvals all the

2236
01:32:55,550 --> 01:32:52,920
way across the board and

2237
01:32:58,250 --> 01:32:55,560
you're asking me about Tim burchett

2238
01:33:00,290 --> 01:32:58,260
you know I went to Washington and I went

2239
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,300
to his office and I interviewed him I

2240
01:33:05,149 --> 01:33:02,280
shot an hour to hour interview with two

2241
01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:05,159
cameras and we talked about all of it

2242
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:08,040
I'll post the interview on YouTube uh at

2243
01:33:11,149 --> 01:33:09,960
some point but you know there's a

2244
01:33:12,649 --> 01:33:11,159
there's a part where I'm like you know

2245
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:12,659
Tim

2246
01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:14,760
this all started before Roswell but

2247
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,380
here's what happened and I gave him the

2248
01:33:21,709 --> 01:33:18,000
Reader's Digest version of everything

2249
01:33:23,689 --> 01:33:21,719
face to face him and me and it turns out

2250
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:23,699
that he has had a passion for this topic

2251
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,400
he's a Sci-Fi fan I mean he's just into

2252
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,800
the UFO thing just like a you know an

2253
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,960
average person which is why I had him

2254
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:32,400
move on

2255
01:33:36,169 --> 01:33:34,199
um Skyping in we had a great

2256
01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:36,179
conversation in front of the uh the

2257
01:33:40,490 --> 01:33:38,460
crowd at the Buffon Symposium he's

2258
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:40,500
personally involved and he knows about

2259
01:33:45,290 --> 01:33:43,260
the the BS just like we do because he's

2260
01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:45,300
had been in our position he's kind of

2261
01:33:49,310 --> 01:33:47,219
like Tom Delong was at one time you know

2262
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,320
somebody that even though he's got some

2263
01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:51,840
Fame and notoriety he's he's a nerd

2264
01:33:56,689 --> 01:33:54,840
ufologist at heart and and Tim is is is

2265
01:33:58,010 --> 01:33:56,699
like that and he's you know he's very

2266
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:58,020
personable

2267
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,239
um but we talked for a long time and the

2268
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,639
interview is is stunning some of the

2269
01:34:07,010 --> 01:34:04,320
best parts of it are in accidental truth

2270
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:07,020
but I'll put it out at some point but he

2271
01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:09,840
is making those comments not as a

2272
01:34:13,970 --> 01:34:12,060
Insider that knows stuff that we don't

2273
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:13,980
know he he's making those comments is

2274
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:17,400
another frustrated ufologist who who

2275
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:19,800
knows the same kind of stuff that we do

2276
01:34:28,669 --> 01:34:25,139
and when it comes to saps and so much

2277
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:28,679
has been revealed the public in general

2278
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,739
knows nothing about an sap they don't

2279
01:34:36,669 --> 01:34:34,080
our community we're starting to learn

2280
01:34:39,770 --> 01:34:36,679
more and more about them

2281
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:39,780
but the companies that benefit from

2282
01:34:48,430 --> 01:34:43,199
those programs have been completely

2283
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:48,440
sheltered and the the the paper trail

2284
01:34:53,450 --> 01:34:51,000
the assignment numbers to government

2285
01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:53,460
documents the document numbers and the

2286
01:34:58,729 --> 01:34:56,340
way to go and fi and find and and

2287
01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:58,739
release and comment on these things that

2288
01:35:02,990 --> 01:35:00,300
doesn't apply in a special access

2289
01:35:05,209 --> 01:35:03,000
program those corporations and those

2290
01:35:07,610 --> 01:35:05,219
people and those names are completely

2291
01:35:10,729 --> 01:35:07,620
sheltered is this something that should

2292
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:10,739
be discussed publicly or should some

2293
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:12,540
things remain a secret

2294
01:35:18,290 --> 01:35:16,080
well you know that's it it's depends on

2295
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:18,300
the context again the special access

2296
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,340
programs the whole way these things are

2297
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,280
structured is for plausible deniability

2298
01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:25,920
and for the ability to shield from

2299
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,480
Freedom of Information Act requests

2300
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:29,760
there's a this the structure of the

2301
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,260
special access programs the way they're

2302
01:35:35,629 --> 01:35:33,360
integrated With Private Industry and

2303
01:35:38,990 --> 01:35:35,639
very small factions of government were

2304
01:35:40,729 --> 01:35:39,000
built that way on purpose and

2305
01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:40,739
you'd have to look at each one of them

2306
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:42,540
to say well should we know about this

2307
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:44,820
should we not know about that uh you

2308
01:35:48,590 --> 01:35:46,440
know a lot of special access programs

2309
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:48,600
have given us breakthrough technologies

2310
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,340
that are very useful there's a reason

2311
01:35:54,169 --> 01:35:52,440
they exist and there's a reason that

2312
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,179
they're secret so you can't put a

2313
01:35:58,669 --> 01:35:56,880
blanket thing about exposing them

2314
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:58,679
um but I think that the uh

2315
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:01,080
you know this lack of accountability

2316
01:36:06,169 --> 01:36:04,199
is you could say well that it's evil

2317
01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:06,179
that if you if you're hiding technology

2318
01:36:10,010 --> 01:36:08,100
that could give us free energy or that

2319
01:36:11,689 --> 01:36:10,020
could Advance Humanity in such a way

2320
01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:11,699
that we can stop our self-destructive

2321
01:36:16,729 --> 01:36:14,460
path or any of these other things that

2322
01:36:19,129 --> 01:36:16,739
would benefit the greater good and

2323
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:19,139
you're sitting on that technology that

2324
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:21,000
is some would call it a crime against

2325
01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:23,100
humanity but if you're sitting on

2326
01:36:26,450 --> 01:36:24,540
technology that we have no business

2327
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,460
having like you know say there's an

2328
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,320
energy source that could give us free

2329
01:36:32,209 --> 01:36:30,239
energy but if it's misused mishandled

2330
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:32,219
could destroy the whole planet it could

2331
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:33,960
blow us into another dimension well

2332
01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:35,460
maybe there's a reason for keeping that

2333
01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:38,060
under wraps so

2334
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,260
unfortunately we can't just make a

2335
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,239
blanket assumption about that we deserve

2336
01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:44,639
to know all the truth and this was the

2337
01:36:48,649 --> 01:36:46,980
most bitter pill for me to swallow is

2338
01:36:50,810 --> 01:36:48,659
because this movie took me a year and a

2339
01:36:52,490 --> 01:36:50,820
half to to put together and it's got

2340
01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:52,500
material that I shot as far back as

2341
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,600
2008.

2342
01:36:58,610 --> 01:36:56,400
um and

2343
01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:58,620
over the course of making the film I've

2344
01:37:03,709 --> 01:37:01,739
been surveilled I've been threatened I I

2345
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:03,719
there was a little bit of a time when I

2346
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:05,580
wasn't even sure that I was going to be

2347
01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:07,560
able to put this film out and I'm pretty

2348
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,620
convinced at this point that I'm not

2349
01:37:16,729 --> 01:37:12,719
putting it out that it's not reaching

2350
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:16,739
the public because of my tenacity it's

2351
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:18,659
going to reach the public because for

2352
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:20,820
some reason it's going to be allowed to

2353
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:22,980
reach the public but I was scared to

2354
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:25,440
death for months on this thing

2355
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:27,480
um and I didn't know who to trust I

2356
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:30,060
didn't know who I could talk to it got

2357
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,219
really really strange I'm just so glad

2358
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:34,800
it's done but um you know at the end of

2359
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:35,940
the day

2360
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,860
you cannot

2361
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:40,080
fault the people that are keeping these

2362
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:42,239
secrets there's a reason for some of it

2363
01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:44,699
and then there some of it is just

2364
01:37:48,410 --> 01:37:46,440
they've been keeping the secret for so

2365
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:48,420
long and they've dug such a deep hole

2366
01:37:51,370 --> 01:37:50,340
how do they possibly dig out of it

2367
01:37:54,110 --> 01:37:51,380
without

2368
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:54,120
problems yeah Ron that's that's that's

2369
01:37:59,689 --> 01:37:56,520
like the best point uh that could be

2370
01:38:00,669 --> 01:37:59,699
made about this which is so the reveal

2371
01:38:04,010 --> 01:38:00,679
happens

2372
01:38:05,810 --> 01:38:04,020
whatever that reveal is but what would

2373
01:38:07,550 --> 01:38:05,820
freak out what would piss off the planet

2374
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,560
more

2375
01:38:13,129 --> 01:38:09,840
um you've known about E.T and you've

2376
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,139
been sitting on this information okay or

2377
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,360
you mean you've been sitting on free

2378
01:38:21,709 --> 01:38:18,000
energy that could have powered our

2379
01:38:23,629 --> 01:38:21,719
schools and heated the homes and and fed

2380
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:23,639
the world you've been sitting I think

2381
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,040
that would piss a few people off yeah

2382
01:38:30,649 --> 01:38:28,080
and see that's where it really becomes

2383
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:30,659
questionable uh and and there are people

2384
01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:32,040
that would have to be accountable for

2385
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:33,659
that and they can't let this information

2386
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:35,940
out until all those people are dead

2387
01:38:39,229 --> 01:38:38,100
and there's there's this institutional

2388
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:39,239
memory

2389
01:38:43,610 --> 01:38:42,420
that we have but there's also one thing

2390
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,620
that really shocked me as I was

2391
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:45,600
researching this is that

2392
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:48,540
these agencies and these people in these

2393
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:50,520
organizations and even you know within

2394
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:51,780
the military

2395
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:53,580
you would think that they would preserve

2396
01:38:56,510 --> 01:38:55,139
something like in Raiders of the Lost

2397
01:38:58,610 --> 01:38:56,520
Ark they went and put it in a warehouse

2398
01:39:01,010 --> 01:38:58,620
they have no problem whatsoever

2399
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,020
destroying things like they never even

2400
01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:03,840
happened the you know the the the video

2401
01:39:09,290 --> 01:39:06,780
and the or the the film the photos the

2402
01:39:10,970 --> 01:39:09,300
debris everything from Roswell it may

2403
01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:10,980
have just been destroyed it might not

2404
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:12,540
even be sitting in a warehouse somewhere

2405
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,460
because these people will do those kinds

2406
01:39:17,629 --> 01:39:16,800
of things and so

2407
01:39:21,530 --> 01:39:17,639
um

2408
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:21,540
is huge

2409
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,060
the uh

2410
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,040
the established I'm going to say status

2411
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:28,320
quo I'm gonna go status quo even though

2412
01:39:33,229 --> 01:39:30,420
you can't find a definition for it but

2413
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:33,239
my version of status quo is you know

2414
01:39:37,310 --> 01:39:35,400
what is just out there running and

2415
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,320
moving along right and that's it it's

2416
01:39:43,610 --> 01:39:39,360
just it's just plugging along

2417
01:39:46,129 --> 01:39:43,620
elected officials the status quo of the

2418
01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:46,139
sap programs and the way that that is

2419
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:48,360
run and everything else they run in the

2420
01:39:53,629 --> 01:39:51,960
comfort zone of knowing that well four

2421
01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:53,639
years they're out of office eight years

2422
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,940
at best all right and and and that's how

2423
01:40:02,090 --> 01:40:00,000
they operate and the stuff that's in

2424
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:02,100
those sap programs or any information

2425
01:40:07,970 --> 01:40:05,940
that is there is never making it into

2426
01:40:11,890 --> 01:40:07,980
the Oval Office there's no way to

2427
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:11,900
overwhelm uh any sitting president with

2428
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:15,600
you know a million pages of of crazies

2429
01:40:19,370 --> 01:40:17,880
you just wouldn't do that that you need

2430
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,380
to run the government and do other

2431
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:21,600
things on a day-to-day basis you're not

2432
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:23,040
going to be overwhelmed with what's

2433
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:25,860
going on in Palmdale yeah presidents

2434
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:28,020
quit being ready and everybody in the

2435
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:29,520
field knows that it probably ended with

2436
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,739
Reagan possibly Bush

2437
01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:33,360
um you know somebody's saying something

2438
01:40:37,729 --> 01:40:35,219
about the lighting is there any way to

2439
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:37,739
to that's you that's you you've got your

2440
01:40:43,970 --> 01:40:41,280
automatic lighting is is running your

2441
01:40:45,709 --> 01:40:43,980
sensitivity on your camera uh this is a

2442
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:45,719
different computer because I've got so

2443
01:40:49,729 --> 01:40:47,219
much light on me right now that I can't

2444
01:40:51,890 --> 01:40:49,739
even see yeah I look like I'm sitting in

2445
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,900
a dark room yeah I turn off all

2446
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:54,080
automation all of my stuff is in manual

2447
01:40:58,970 --> 01:40:57,239
uh with my cameras and I can't even find

2448
01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:58,980
a place to control it yeah okay well

2449
01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:01,380
sorry people I'm in the dark it's okay

2450
01:41:06,050 --> 01:41:03,179
no you look fine

2451
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:06,060
why did you don't want to see Ron lit up

2452
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,340
everybody trust me on this I've seen

2453
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,080
that that's true yeah you don't want to

2454
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:12,239
see Ron lit up uh I like the darker

2455
01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:13,199
version

2456
01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:14,940
um no you look fine

2457
01:41:21,890 --> 01:41:17,940
um but is is that's that's the thing

2458
01:41:24,530 --> 01:41:21,900
they know that the turnover is going to

2459
01:41:28,129 --> 01:41:24,540
happen in in Washington that's it and

2460
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,139
the career sap program Runners are doing

2461
01:41:34,250 --> 01:41:30,960
it for 30 40 50 years at a crack or

2462
01:41:36,770 --> 01:41:34,260
longer and there's there's just no way

2463
01:41:38,570 --> 01:41:36,780
that uh anybody is going to be sharing

2464
01:41:42,649 --> 01:41:38,580
that information

2465
01:41:48,890 --> 01:41:45,590
oh that's funny so yeah I'm gonna quit

2466
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,900
looking at that so see see that's why

2467
01:41:53,450 --> 01:41:50,639
you don't pay attention to the chat room

2468
01:41:55,250 --> 01:41:53,460
this is a professional show if I ever

2469
01:41:57,709 --> 01:41:55,260
did

2470
01:41:59,530 --> 01:41:57,719
that on set okay the next time you and I

2471
01:42:01,850 --> 01:41:59,540
are shooting Ron

2472
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:01,860
during the shoot I'm gonna go hold on

2473
01:42:07,070 --> 01:42:05,040
let me check my let me check my email I

2474
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:07,080
think somebody sent me a text okay so

2475
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,300
I'm gonna do that to you

2476
01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:12,480
um but again the path forward so what is

2477
01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:13,980
next then

2478
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:17,400
what is next is that people that we

2479
01:42:20,570 --> 01:42:18,960
don't know are making the decisions

2480
01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:20,580
about what we're going to be told and

2481
01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:22,440
how we're going to be told it and there

2482
01:42:25,970 --> 01:42:23,699
is nothing that we're going to be able

2483
01:42:29,209 --> 01:42:25,980
to do about it the the there's not going

2484
01:42:32,090 --> 01:42:29,219
to be any kind of gigantic peel back

2485
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:32,100
that is not engineered approved and

2486
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,860
implemented uh I wish that it was going

2487
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,199
to be different but unfortunately I

2488
01:42:40,010 --> 01:42:38,639
don't believe that that's the case I

2489
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,020
think that there is a general

2490
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,719
understanding that through throughout

2491
01:42:47,689 --> 01:42:45,360
all of the people involved in this that

2492
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:47,699
Humanity needs to be enlightened to at

2493
01:42:52,189 --> 01:42:50,159
least some better extent that we are now

2494
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,199
but are they ever going to tell us

2495
01:42:57,970 --> 01:42:54,960
everything no I don't think so are they

2496
01:43:02,330 --> 01:42:57,980
ever going to tell us uh

2497
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,340
some of the implications of this no is

2498
01:43:08,689 --> 01:43:04,800
there secret space programs and all this

2499
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:08,699
stuff that's that far out maybe

2500
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,440
are we ever going to know all of the

2501
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:12,780
information we're not and and you know

2502
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:15,000
we talk about that in the film also uh

2503
01:43:19,850 --> 01:43:16,560
you know Nick Pope is is very

2504
01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:19,860
interesting because I have him in 2009

2505
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:21,239
um you know that we have a little line

2506
01:43:24,649 --> 01:43:22,980
in the film that says you know Nick Pope

2507
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:24,659
denied any existence of a government

2508
01:43:29,890 --> 01:43:27,719
program right up until he didn't and in

2509
01:43:32,090 --> 01:43:29,900
2009 he's like well

2510
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,100
certainly people have looked at some of

2511
01:43:37,070 --> 01:43:34,080
these topics but there's never been any

2512
01:43:40,189 --> 01:43:37,080
kind of uh government UFO program and

2513
01:43:42,410 --> 01:43:40,199
then it cuts to Nick Pope in 2019. we

2514
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,420
now know of a government UFO program but

2515
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:44,159
we probably don't know about the

2516
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:46,980
government UFO program and so you know

2517
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:48,420
it's kind of like

2518
01:43:52,669 --> 01:43:50,760
we're never going to get all of the

2519
01:43:54,609 --> 01:43:52,679
information and what information we do

2520
01:43:57,410 --> 01:43:54,619
get is going to be carefully

2521
01:44:00,189 --> 01:43:57,420
orchestrated digested and released to

2522
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:00,199
fit the new narrative

2523
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:04,080
you know what I did uh last week I I

2524
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:05,400
it's funny that you bring this up

2525
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:08,760
because just last week I pulled down my

2526
01:44:16,370 --> 01:44:12,300
my old copy of uh Above Top Secret right

2527
01:44:19,010 --> 01:44:16,380
Timothy good and I had remembered that

2528
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:19,020
he had wrote

2529
01:44:23,090 --> 01:44:21,780
um about in the book uh about and you

2530
01:44:25,609 --> 01:44:23,100
got to remember when that book came out

2531
01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:25,619
right it's that's it's it's quite a

2532
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:28,380
while ago 1990 I think is is when it

2533
01:44:35,149 --> 01:44:31,619
came out when I got my first copy the um

2534
01:44:38,330 --> 01:44:35,159
the pages that he wrote on this was

2535
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,340
about a staffed building I can't

2536
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:41,280
remember the city I just read it uh but

2537
01:44:45,950 --> 01:44:43,860
he said it was 50 miles Northwest of

2538
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:45,960
London there was a building that was

2539
01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:49,320
permanently staffed with 50 people from

2540
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:53,580
the mod that were investigating and and

2541
01:45:00,410 --> 01:44:57,300
had radar operations running on uh for

2542
01:45:02,450 --> 01:45:00,420
UFOs and that was in 1990 so I went back

2543
01:45:05,689 --> 01:45:02,460
and I and I found the pages and there it

2544
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,699
was and he also said in there and this

2545
01:45:10,609 --> 01:45:08,159
predates Nick Pope right

2546
01:45:15,530 --> 01:45:10,619
um uh he also said in there that in this

2547
01:45:17,770 --> 01:45:15,540
building that they tracked a UFO

2548
01:45:21,290 --> 01:45:17,780
um on radar

2549
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:21,300
I believe uh I'll go back I'll I'll

2550
01:45:25,250 --> 01:45:22,980
email you tomorrow

2551
01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:25,260
three days

2552
01:45:33,709 --> 01:45:30,440
yeah

2553
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:33,719
a traditional plane right is running out

2554
01:45:39,890 --> 01:45:37,679
of gas after after so many hours

2555
01:45:42,109 --> 01:45:39,900
um is going to run out of fuel or

2556
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:42,119
whatever but this was something that

2557
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:45,600
went down for three days and so the the

2558
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:48,239
mod has had a permanently staffed

2559
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:51,000
building and it's never stopped uh with

2560
01:45:56,810 --> 01:45:53,520
50 people covering this subject and and

2561
01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:56,820
they've been doing it according to uh

2562
01:46:01,970 --> 01:45:59,699
Timothy good for decades oh yeah never

2563
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:01,980
say they never stopped investigating

2564
01:46:07,729 --> 01:46:03,780
after the first evidence of this stuff

2565
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,739
and and they're still doing it now and

2566
01:46:11,090 --> 01:46:09,480
so we've gotta we've got a very

2567
01:46:13,550 --> 01:46:11,100
established government Insider in

2568
01:46:15,790 --> 01:46:13,560
accidental truth that talks about uh

2569
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:15,800
sensors picking up UFOs all the time

2570
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:19,080
huge varieties of them and they've

2571
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:20,880
they've captured UFOs a mile wide

2572
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,239
according to him and it's routine and so

2573
01:46:29,930 --> 01:46:26,880
you know the just getting closer and

2574
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:29,940
closer to uh peeling away different

2575
01:46:34,609 --> 01:46:32,880
layers of the onion or you know in in

2576
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:34,619
accidental truth we try to use an ice

2577
01:46:39,169 --> 01:46:37,679
pick to Chip Away uh more of the statue

2578
01:46:40,609 --> 01:46:39,179
because you know it's time that the

2579
01:46:44,090 --> 01:46:40,619
gloves come off and we do that a little

2580
01:46:45,649 --> 01:46:44,100
bit in the film so um yeah but the

2581
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:45,659
information that we're getting is the

2582
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:48,600
information that it's been decided that

2583
01:46:52,910 --> 01:46:50,760
we're gonna get and we're getting it in

2584
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:52,920
the manner that it's been decided that

2585
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,080
we're gonna get and the people that are

2586
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:56,880
making those decisions are the same ones

2587
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:58,380
that we talk about that we we don't know

2588
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,679
who they are Ron I want to thank you for

2589
01:47:05,930 --> 01:47:03,600
everything that you have done and

2590
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:05,940
contributed uh to our community over the

2591
01:47:11,570 --> 01:47:09,000
decades and you're very tireless in in

2592
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,580
what you do and uh do we have a

2593
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:12,960
tentative date for the release of the

2594
01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:15,840
film uh supposedly between March 15th

2595
01:47:20,689 --> 01:47:18,300
and the end of March oh so next month

2596
01:47:22,609 --> 01:47:20,699
month and a half yeah yeah it's uh the

2597
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:22,619
trailers the official trailer will be

2598
01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:25,380
out uh probably next week we're putting

2599
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:26,900
the finishing touches on it one of the

2600
01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:29,460
same company that made the trailer for

2601
01:47:34,129 --> 01:47:31,380
Maverick is doing the trailer for this

2602
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:34,139
uh the distributor is kind of going all

2603
01:47:38,689 --> 01:47:36,239
out on it and then

2604
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:38,699
um yeah it's going to be it's going to

2605
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:40,020
be interesting when it comes out and

2606
01:47:42,770 --> 01:47:41,580
I've got two and a half months of I

2607
01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:42,780
thought I could take a break when I

2608
01:47:47,450 --> 01:47:45,000
finished the film but forget it I'm not

2609
01:47:49,550 --> 01:47:47,460
I've got to go into marketing mode and

2610
01:47:51,470 --> 01:47:49,560
podcast mode and everything else it's

2611
01:47:55,850 --> 01:47:51,480
gonna be awesome man I'm very excited

2612
01:47:58,850 --> 01:47:55,860
for this and uh it it it's time that uh

2613
01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:58,860
people start uh observing the truth and

2614
01:48:02,570 --> 01:47:59,880
that's what the film was about

2615
01:48:04,370 --> 01:48:02,580
accidental truth thank you so much do

2616
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:04,380
you have one more second sure you can do

2617
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:06,060
whatever you want it's your show you

2618
01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:08,040
want to see something funny yeah we're

2619
01:48:12,590 --> 01:48:09,780
like well okay Ron you finished the film

2620
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,600
what are you doing and so you know we're

2621
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,400
all artists right so I'm spending a lot

2622
01:48:18,109 --> 01:48:16,560
of time doing the music but I also I

2623
01:48:20,510 --> 01:48:18,119
used to own a t-shirt printing company

2624
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:20,520
and and I've wanted to dabble in it

2625
01:48:24,050 --> 01:48:21,900
again so I bought one of those machines

2626
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,060
that prints on t-shirts okay and I have

2627
01:48:28,930 --> 01:48:25,679
I have it set up in my house and I've

2628
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:28,940
been designing t-shirts so I did a whole

2629
01:48:32,090 --> 01:48:30,960
bunch and I'm not trying to sell

2630
01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:32,100
t-shirts I'm not even going to tell you

2631
01:48:35,450 --> 01:48:33,780
guys where these are but this is one of

2632
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,460
the designs I did

2633
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:36,960
um

2634
01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:39,060
desert Essentials it's got the Flying

2635
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,600
Saucer drive down there so that's pretty

2636
01:48:47,629 --> 01:48:45,119
cool I want that I want that and then

2637
01:48:49,010 --> 01:48:47,639
this is another one I came up with

2638
01:48:50,990 --> 01:48:49,020
um and I designed these and then I

2639
01:48:55,090 --> 01:48:51,000
actually printed them here at my house

2640
01:48:57,950 --> 01:48:55,100
uh Roswell garage

2641
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:57,960
dude it's one of my favorites and then I

2642
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:00,719
I've come up with a line for music I

2643
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:03,960
actually did some artwork in Ai and I

2644
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:07,679
came up with a uh a a brand called

2645
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,380
Rockin destiny and then these are like

2646
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:12,480
really dark haunting musically themed

2647
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:14,760
t-shirts like this one's called Dance

2648
01:49:20,030 --> 01:49:17,400
the this design was actually created by

2649
01:49:23,090 --> 01:49:20,040
artificial intelligence and I and I I

2650
01:49:24,890 --> 01:49:23,100
fixed it up and put it on the shirt and

2651
01:49:27,950 --> 01:49:24,900
like this one too this is one of my

2652
01:49:31,729 --> 01:49:27,960
favorites I call it one man band it's

2653
01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:31,739
this dude oh that's tasty with with

2654
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:33,480
skeletons playing yeah yeah yeah yeah

2655
01:49:37,609 --> 01:49:35,820
that's tasty and then of course we have

2656
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:37,619
The Accidental truth t-shirt which is

2657
01:49:42,290 --> 01:49:40,320
really cool

2658
01:49:43,790 --> 01:49:42,300
and so then one other thing I bought a

2659
01:49:47,870 --> 01:49:43,800
3D printer

2660
01:49:50,510 --> 01:49:47,880
and I am designing I'm designing the uh

2661
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:50,520
the mufon 55th anniversary sculptures

2662
01:49:55,729 --> 01:49:53,040
and so this is all something I I built

2663
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,739
it in a 3D animation program

2664
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,600
um and have been experimenting with the

2665
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:00,239
3D printer printing on my I built the

2666
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:03,540
base and so I am so sick of looking at a

2667
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:05,460
computer screen and doing video

2668
01:50:11,090 --> 01:50:08,760
production that I've put my show on ice

2669
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,100
and I am you know I'm in my basement

2670
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,920
building models of flying saucers I'll

2671
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:15,840
get back to the show at some point but I

2672
01:50:20,570 --> 01:50:18,719
need a break man I love it man I

2673
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:20,580
absolutely love it I want that desert

2674
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:22,280
shirt

2675
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,440
yeah well I don't have it but uh send it

2676
01:50:28,850 --> 01:50:27,119
to me and I'm going to be out in La next

2677
01:50:30,050 --> 01:50:28,860
week so maybe we can get together yeah

2678
01:50:32,990 --> 01:50:30,060
let's hang out let's hang out let's

2679
01:50:35,090 --> 01:50:33,000
break some bread all right okay Ron

2680
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:35,100
James thank you so much my friend behave

2681
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:37,800
be well good luck with the film it's

2682
01:50:40,729 --> 01:50:39,600
going to be amazing and we need it thank

2683
01:50:42,830 --> 01:50:40,739
you so much

2684
01:50:44,689 --> 01:50:42,840
hey so somebody's asking me about the

2685
01:50:46,609 --> 01:50:44,699
the pedestals

2686
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,619
if there's a way that they could reach

2687
01:50:52,270 --> 01:50:48,960
me the 3D printing is a pain in the butt

2688
01:50:58,010 --> 01:50:55,669
well uh it's you you're on Twitter

2689
01:51:00,530 --> 01:50:58,020
you're on Facebook you have your website

2690
01:51:02,450 --> 01:51:00,540
you have move on yeah you can reach me

2691
01:51:04,250 --> 01:51:02,460
through mufon's Facebook page that's an

2692
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:04,260
easy way to reach it just go to muffon's

2693
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:08,000
Facebook absolutely that the pedestal

2694
01:51:15,129 --> 01:51:12,000
reminds me of lockheed's facility out

2695
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:15,139
here where they did all of the radio

2696
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:17,940
radar uh cross

2697
01:51:23,209 --> 01:51:20,880
uh sensor readings yeah you know what it

2698
01:51:25,370 --> 01:51:23,219
is is it somebody built a model of a

2699
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:25,380
panel on the Death Star and I thought

2700
01:51:29,870 --> 01:51:28,020
you know this looks kind of like S4 you

2701
01:51:33,050 --> 01:51:29,880
know it looks like some remote place so

2702
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:33,060
so I did that and then I found a a the

2703
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:36,420
stand and I actually integrated into one

2704
01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:39,480
piece of 3D it takes a day to print it

2705
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:42,900
24 hours and it but yeah it's been a

2706
01:51:47,810 --> 01:51:45,840
it's been trial by fire in the uh in the

2707
01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:47,820
3D printing thing and then the Roswell

2708
01:51:52,129 --> 01:51:49,560
Flying Saucer this is this is something

2709
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:52,139
you can get anywhere and it prints in a

2710
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,520
few pieces

2711
01:51:58,490 --> 01:51:55,679
my girlfriend just came back from from

2712
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:58,500
the studio in LA and there's flying

2713
01:52:02,450 --> 01:52:01,260
saucer Parts all over the kitchen what

2714
01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:02,460
are you doing you know like well it's

2715
01:52:05,649 --> 01:52:03,780
what happens when you leave me alone for

2716
01:52:09,050 --> 01:52:05,659
too long

2717
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,060
Ron James sorry I'm still not sure about

2718
01:52:14,689 --> 01:52:11,280
that oh wow

2719
01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:14,699
okay oh is that Siri yeah you know I

2720
01:52:19,310 --> 01:52:16,440
don't know what this is but my watch is

2721
01:52:20,930 --> 01:52:19,320
listening to me I was talking to to the

2722
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,940
dog the other day and you know doing

2723
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,800
that pet Taco girl you're just so cute

2724
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:25,199
you know like that and Siri on my watch

2725
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,460
starts laughing I'm like no this is just

2726
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:31,679
wrong you know I have I have a smart

2727
01:52:37,729 --> 01:52:35,040
house but I have no I have no Alexa I

2728
01:52:39,709 --> 01:52:37,739
have no listening devices here

2729
01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:39,719
um now that that part kind of freaks me

2730
01:52:44,570 --> 01:52:42,780
out that's why right there Ron be safe

2731
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:44,580
be well

2732
01:52:49,729 --> 01:52:46,980
um and and stay dry the rain is coming

2733
01:52:51,649 --> 01:52:49,739
your way and uh there you go thank you

2734
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,659
so much I'm headed for Laguna Beach next

2735
01:52:55,490 --> 01:52:53,040
week so I'll be out there hopefully I

2736
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,500
can miss it it'll be dry I'll talk bye

2737
01:52:59,149 --> 01:52:56,880
everybody in the chat room you can find

2738
01:53:01,790 --> 01:52:59,159
me if you want to talk to me I'll see

2739
01:53:04,669 --> 01:53:01,800
you Rod thank you so much Ron James and

2740
01:53:08,649 --> 01:53:04,679
and the links for Ron's new film is uh

2741
01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:08,659
below and uh it's accidental truths

2742
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:11,460
uh.com the links are below and as soon

2743
01:53:17,570 --> 01:53:13,980
as the trailer hits I will let everybody

2744
01:53:19,850 --> 01:53:17,580
know in social media and of course the

2745
01:53:22,729 --> 01:53:19,860
premiere date too as well I'm Yours

2746
01:53:24,970 --> 01:53:22,739
Jimmy church this is Fade to Black and

2747
01:53:27,950 --> 01:53:24,980
let's see tomorrow night I've got

2748
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:27,960
Patricia Corey all the way from the

2749
01:53:33,229 --> 01:53:31,260
Azores is going to be with us talking

2750
01:53:35,870 --> 01:53:33,239
about her new book which I have here

2751
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:35,880
it's called hacking the god code that's

2752
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:37,980
tomorrow night on Fade to Black Fade to

2753
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:39,840
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2754
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,239
Dennis and Kevin webmaster is through

2755
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:44,400
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2756
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:46,500
boy spaceboymusic.com

2757
01:53:49,970 --> 01:53:48,840
paint the black is produced by kjcr for

2758
01:53:52,609 --> 01:53:49,980
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2759
01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:52,619
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2760
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,300
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2761
01:53:57,950 --> 01:53:56,400
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2762
01:53:59,689 --> 01:53:57,960
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2763
01:54:01,010 --> 01:53:59,699
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2764
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:01,020
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2765
01:54:04,729 --> 01:54:02,580
game changer Network I'm your chimney

2766
01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:04,739
church tomorrow night Patricia Corey

2767
01:54:08,330 --> 01:54:06,780
until then

2768
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:08,340
save

2769
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:11,360
go back Lee tappy

2770
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:24,490
yes